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Keaau High School removes cameras from kid's bathrooms
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HONOLULU (KHON2) — KHON first told you about surveillance cameras outside of bathroom stalls at Kea’au High School Monday, Sept. 18, after receiving a Report-It from a frustrated parent. The story shined a light on privacy and safety concerns of students using the restroom, forcing the Department of Education (DOE) to take a second look at the issue.

Monday the DOE confirmed the cameras were moved away from the bathroom stalls.
A video taken by a student showed one of the surveillance cameras at Kea’au High School just outside of bathroom stalls. In the video, you can see the footage is taken from, inside the stall itself, with the camera clearly visible.

Concerned and upset parents said their children felt unsafe using the restroom.
Chantel Perrin’s child is a student at Kea’au High School.

“When my daughter told me there were cameras in the girls restrooms I was furious,” Perrin said. “Who’d want to invade the privacy of our young children?”

When KHON questioned the DOE last week about the camera placement, in a statement they explained the cameras were in a “breezeway” thus considered a “public area where users do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.”

The Kea’au High School Principal had even sent out a letter to parents on Sept. 12, telling them cameras were installed but none were put inside “restrooms, classrooms, offices and locker rooms” and that the surveillance system was being put in to “enhance the safety and security of our campus.”

After seeing the story on KHON, Representative Jeanne Kapela said she was outraged.
“There’s no reason ever that would would rise the level of taking away someone’s safety, someone’s privacy and someone’s security in a restroom setting,” Kapela said. “You can very clearly, from the video that the students sent, although they’re in place in a breezeway, they are still within the scope of a bathroom. So however you put it, it was wrong. And the reality is that it needed to be rectified.”

Kapela said parents were considering filing lawsuits and she too was looking into legal action.

“We’ve had actually a number of conversations with the ACLU, this was something that they had even said, might rise to the level of where they would need to get involved,” Kapela explained. “But thankfully, I think the DOE recognizes the mistake that they made.”
A spokesperson for the DOE confirmed: “the cameras you are referring to were removed.”
Kapela said she spoke to the DOE assistant Superintendent who assured her the cameras were moved out of view of the bathroom stalls to lessen the anxiety of the students.

“I think this is something that we can all learn from. And the most important thing is that we know that this is a major mistake that will never be made again,” Kapela said. “It’s important that when community members speak, and specifically when students speak, we listen.”
“I’m hoping that this is a step in the right direction,” Perrin said. “I understand they want to monitor, I understand they want to keep our children safe, but there’s got to be a better solution than invading their privacy.”

Since the DOE said the surveillance system was installed for security and safety reasons, KHON asked specifically what kind of security and safety issues were occurring in the bathrooms, how often these types of incidents were happening, and what alternative methods the DOE planned to use to protect the students. KHON is still waiting for the DOE to answer those questions.


https://www.khon2.com/local-news/doe-rec...tid=Zxz2cZ
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I wonder how many people were involved in making this decision to put cameras in the students bathrooms?

And who and how many people had access to the recorded videos?

In today’s society, I’d bet money there is footage that’s been leaked of what those cameras recorded somewhere on the internet. I hope the parents sue.
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I really don't see a problem except people are easily triggered. A lot of school violence and bullying takes place in restrooms on campus.
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(09-26-2023, 07:34 PM)Rob Tucker Wrote: I really don't see a problem except people are easily triggered.  A lot of school violence and bullying takes place in restrooms on campus.

So you’re OK with video cameras being placed inside bathroom stalls where minor children are using the toilet?

I assume you read the article and watched the KHON News video?
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(09-26-2023, 08:41 PM)HiloJulie Wrote:
(09-26-2023, 07:34 PM)Rob Tucker Wrote: I really don't see a problem except people are easily triggered.  A lot of school violence and bullying takes place in restrooms on campus.

So you’re OK with video cameras being placed inside bathroom stalls where minor children are using the toilet?

I assume you read the article and watched the KHON News video?
They weren't inside the stalls, rather outside with a partial view in.  Sure, I'm OK with it.  Not that they would prevent most of the bullying or drug activity going on inside.
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So you’re OK with video cameras being placed inside bathroom stalls where minor children are using the toilet?

The photo I saw is of a clearly visible (not hidden) camera mounted on the ceiling.  
I can't tell for sure, but I can't see a stall door or walls, so I assume the student may have stood on the toilet and took the picture over the top of the stall?  Which would suggest if a student were sitting down with the door closed the camera would show nothing?

What will then be seen on camera?  Students washing their hands at the sinks?  Hopefully?
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(09-26-2023, 08:48 PM)Durian Fiend Wrote:
(09-26-2023, 08:41 PM)HiloJulie Wrote:
(09-26-2023, 07:34 PM)Rob Tucker Wrote: I really don't see a problem except people are easily triggered.  A lot of school violence and bullying takes place in restrooms on campus.

So you’re OK with video cameras being placed inside bathroom stalls where minor children are using the toilet?

I assume you read the article and watched the KHON News video?
They weren't inside the stalls, rather outside with a partial view in.  Sure, I'm OK with it.  Not that they would prevent most of the bullying or drug activity going on inside.

The cameras were able to record the activity INSIDE the stall. 

Let me phrase the question this way:

Would you be OK having yourself video recorded using the toilet?

(09-26-2023, 08:54 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: So you’re OK with video cameras being placed inside bathroom stalls where minor children are using the toilet?

The photo I saw is of a clearly visible (not hidden) camera mounted on the ceiling.  
I can't tell for sure, but I can't see a stall door or walls, so I assume the student may have stood on the toilet and took the picture over the top of the stall?  Which would suggest if a student were sitting down with the door closed the camera would show nothing?

What will then be seen on camera?  Students washing their hands at the sinks?  Hopefully?

The embedded video shows the camera and was taken from inside the stall. 

Hopefully is the magic word.
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shows the camera and was taken from inside the stall. 

Do you know from where inside the stall?  Was the student sitting?  Standing?  Climbing on the toilet?
Does it make a difference?  Yes, If you're arguing that the cameras will film a student using the toilet.  If the camera can see a student entering the stall through the door, but not after the door is closed (unless the student pops up like a groundhog over the top of the stall walls and door) then what can you see?
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The fact that we have to even ask the question as to what view the camera has is the problem. 

The law, paraphrasing here, is that it’s illegal to record where there is an expectation of privacy as well as where a person may be in a state of undress situation. 

Even if the cameras can’t see inside the stall, outside the stall COULD, by the sinks, be an area where student(s) may be in a state of undress.

A camera positioned to monitor who enters and exits a restroom is fine.
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Got my ass kicked in a high school restroom and ended up with my head shoved down a toilet.

But it was 1963 and that's what happened then. A camera would have been nice.
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