New Business coming to Pahoa

[Obie]

Coco Cantina charges $6.50 to $8.00 for beer. The $8.00 beer is 19 oz.
A 16 oz draft is $7.00.

Same prices as Ola Brew in Hilo.

[terracore]

The cheapest beer is $3.50 Coco Cantina happy hour

https://cococantinahawaii.com/wp-content...ressed.pdf

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The cheapest beer is $3.50.

What a ripoff man.  
When I was in college draft beer was $.15.  If you drove out to a bar in the countryside it was a dime.

[terracore]

The cheapest beer is $3.50.

What a ripoff man.  
When I was in college draft beer was $.15.  If you drove out to a bar in the countryside it was a dime.

Don't get me started.  Greek Taverna in Portland, Oregon:  Gyro with fries and a small pitcher of beer for $5.  And if you wanted to drink out of a glass, you had to ask for one.

[Punatang]

Goodness, you two have been around the sun a few times!  I remember well when you could BYOB at Luquins.  Now that's all screwed up.

We absolutely must open up The Punaweb Pub!  my manao, I nominate you for manager!  If capitalism is what is denying us our right to free beer, then I, for one, am open to your alternative solution, whatever that may be as long as it's been proven to work somewhere and we don't all have to wear grey clothes.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

you two have been around the sun a few times! 

When I consider I’m older than some of the rock in my neighborhoods, it really puts things in perspective!

[terracore]

Goodness, you two have been around the sun a few times!  I remember well when you could BYOB at Luquins.  Now that's all screwed up.

We absolutely must open up The Punaweb Pub!  my manao, I nominate you for manager!  If capitalism is what is denying us our right to free beer, then I, for one, am open to your alternative solution, whatever that may be as long as it's been proven to work somewhere and we don't all have to wear grey clothes.

I agree! But for free beer I'd be willing to wear grey.  Though the reference isn't lost on me:

The two times I went to West Germany when that's what it was called, we never went to East Germany.  My friend went and I asked how it was, and he said "grey".  What do you mean?  He said, "Everything is grey.  The buildings, the skies, the mood, the people, their clothes.  Everything is grey."

I have a chunk of the Berlin wall.  I have relatives that were there when it fell.  It's a good reminder that capitalism is about building walls to keep people out (when we used to have one), and communism is about building walls to keep people in.  I couldn't imagine living under a system where there is little difference between "citizens" and "prisoners". One side of my wall chunk is brightly painted, the other is completely grey. So I know what direction the chunk faced.

[randomq]

Imagine, the world is not black and white, but shades of grey! Capitalism is ok, with some regulation...

We are definitely getting screwed, but being on an island we don't have as much competition. And somehow enough people can afford these ridiculous prices to perpetuate them.

[Punatang]

Imagine, the world is not black and white, but shades of grey! Capitalism is ok, with some regulation...

We are definitely getting screwed, but being on an island we don't have as much competition. And somehow enough people can afford these ridiculous prices to perpetuate them.

Ahhh yes, it seems you may have swerved into the truth.  It's about PRICE.  For all of it's many faults, Capitalism uses price to get goods and services as close to to the right place and as close to the right time as our imperfect world with very imperfect humans and limited resources will allow. As you so brilliantly divined randomq, one human's "ridiculous prices" are another's "affordable".  

As best I can tell, other systems, perhaps even the one that mymanao advocates, attempt to overcome their demonization of price in various ways.  Mostly they seem to centralize things a great deal. At that point the imperfect humans have a tendancy to screw things up with a combination of greed and/or laziness which I'm sure we can all agree are two of our better known flaws.  

Perhaps AI (or mymanao) + (insert your prefered non-capitalistic system) will finally = abundance for everyone.  I look forward to having that free beer with terracore, Here-on-the primal-barstool, and all of you as soon as some non-capatalistic system gets The Punaweb Pub up and running.  Should be any day now.  This is Puna afterall.

[terracore]

https://www.punakaishoppingcenter.com/leasing

"Current base rent rates begin at $5 per square foot per month. For more information, please contact one of our leasing agents."

Minimum wage is $14/hour. That's before the employer pays their share of payroll taxes, workers compensation insurance, health care, etc. A good rule of thumb is that actual employer cost is double the wage, so let's just round it to $28/hour.

I don't know how large some of these establishments are, but just pick a number, say 800 square feet so $4000/month. Paying four employees 12 hours a day, your labor costs are $40k/month. So you got to clear $44k/month just for the rent and employees. On top of that you have utilities, and of course you have to buy the food and drink you're serving. That's how you get a $14 slice of avocado toast. I don't think greed has much to do with it, competition (capitalism) takes care of that.

Minimum wage goes up $2/year until it hits $18 in 2028. Even if they could stay open that avocado toast would have been $20 by then.