Hawaii Decarbonization Settlement 2045

[HiloJulie]

"For instance a pickup I drove behind going up Highway 11 outside of Mountain View last week belched out a 1950’s Pittsburgh steel mill cloud of black smoke every time the driver stepped on the accelerator. Junk that carbon crapinator."

I would love to see this clip done "Puna" Style, Pidgin and all!

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Let’s compare and contrast several different approaches to the future of earth’s climate.

1) We have Hawaii’s youth who studied and researched the best available information on the subject, and presented it to an authority in position to do something about it.

2) You can watch a Rupert Murdoch news channel.  His paywalled expensive outlets (Wall St Journal, Barron’s) will usually tell you truthfully the economy is great, and only warp climate info minimally.  For Murdoch.  His cable packaged Fox & cheap NY Post will tell you the economy is horrible, food prices and inflation are out of control, nobody can afford a house, but don’t help the lazy bums.  Then they burn up time on general outrage, climate lies, and selling you cans of freeze dried Quayle Pototoe Flakes and beans that you can bury in a hole in the ground behind your trailer.  And everything EV, solar, and wind has some catastrophic built in problem waiting to happen.  All the while Fox and Post consumers remain completely oblivious to the contradictory information Murdoch provides his generally more educated and wealthy subscribers. The educated and wealthy who will get the tax breaks they crave thanks to Murdoch’s odd couple blind date set up with the conspiracy believers and survivalists who watch and read his stories of fear and loathing.

3) Jesus.  Ayetoro is a city in Africa on the coast built by true believers so they could live God’s life.  It is sinking into the ocean.  I hope they lived a kind and peaceful life up until now, and probably had less trouble with car thieves and no-good-robber-stealers than we do in Puna, but prayer and good works seem to be beyond the scope of what can be accomplished to mitigate rising sea levels.

4) Denial.  Probably a successful approach if you are old and will die in a few years.  “It’s just a little hotter than usual, nothin’ goin’ on here.”

I think the Hawaii kids have the alternatives beat, if you want results.

[Wao nahele wahine]

Quick reply to HiloJulie:

I inspect steam generator, condenser, and heat exchanger tubing for integrity.  I report any tubing flaws or anomalies, and track any historically reported flaws for growth and any additional testing. 

Sounds like an interesting job. But I take it you’re never in the “hot” part of any power plant?

I have worked in RCAs, but not often. When I started doing field service work in 1985, there were very few women in that field. Installing some of the equipment for an inspection was physically difficult for a woman to perform due to less upper arm strength, etc. One of the main goals is to keep everyone's dose 'as low as reasonably achievable', also known as ALARA.
I did a lot of inspections in condenser's....filthy work, but no need for a respirator.

When I did data acquisition work in the early days, the most enjoyable jobs were on the subs and aircraft carriers. The shipyard workers were a great bunch of guys...Mare Island, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and Puget Sound were the shipyards I worked at the most...never got lucky enough to get on the crews that worked at Pearl Harbor...lol. I have worked at power plants all over the U.S. and a few overseas during routine shutdowns.

I started out doing assembly work on testing equipment for the inspections.. Within a year I was getting certified for field service work, which initially entailed setting up and running the acquisition equipment. After working the required number of hours in acquisition you could move up through the analysis levels. I spent several years in QA, shipping, and did some internal and external audits. For the past 30 years I mainly have done eddy current analysis for steam generator tubing.

[HiloJulie]

Quick reply to Wao nahele wahine:

Thats amazing!

My grandfather, father and oldest brother (all on the Starship PunaWeb now) all worked for a company called Riley-Stoker that made steam boilers for oil, coal and gas power plants. 

They all were Boilermakers by trade, but all 3 had eventually worked their way up to "General Foreman" and for years travelled all over God's green earth in the 60's, 70's and 80's building power plants.

My brother kept trying to get me to join as a Boilermaker apprentice in the early 1980s when I was in my early 20's, but both my father and grandfather told him they would fire him if I joined the Union.

So, I went on to join the ranks of boring copyright law.

[ironyak]

HiloJulie - So what would be your answer to that? Cut air travel 25% - 50% - 75%? That is not a feasible answer.

Why is that not a feasible answer? You make quite a bold assertion without any given support that goes directly against what has been shown to be needed by the IPCC - "It is still possible to limit future warming with strong, rapid and sustained cuts to greenhouse gas emissions."

It does not matter to the physics of climate change whether you read An Inconvenient Truth, or The Art of the Deal, or Liberty Defined on your KOA to LAX flight, nor if you paid someone that promised you (and 100 other people) not to cut down a tree, nor how many jobs were created, nor that your flight is 50% more efficient than 30 years ago (even as there are 400% more of them). All that matters is the tons of greenhouse gases dumped into the atmosphere by that activity. Rapid, sustained greenhouse gas emissions means cutting activities that add greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, not just paying lip service to the concept.

HiloJulie - I personally think spraying plumes of colored corn dust at golfing tournaments, or at Stonehenge, or throwing cans of tomato soup at the Mona Lisa in protest are just as equally ignorant as the ones denying climate change and climate science altogether

I don't know, while these actions may be small potatoes, more Tyre Extinguishers than How to Blow Up a Pipeline, you can be sure they are not ignorant of the issue and are at least doing something? Seems far better than being entirely aware of the problem but still defending massive polluting industries and frivolous consumption? (Won't someone please think of the the professional golf tournaments? ;)

[Punatang]

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/06/2...gas-power/

Looks like the old boy actually gets it.  I've known Mark Glick for 20 years and he's been pushing Natural Gas for a lot longer than that.

[Wao nahele wahine]

Quick reply to Wao nahele wahine:

Thats amazing!

My grandfather, father and oldest brother (all on the Starship PunaWeb now) all worked for a company called Riley-Stoker that made steam boilers for oil, coal and gas power plants. 

They all were Boilermakers by trade, but all 3 had eventually worked their way up to "General Foreman" and for years travelled all over God's green earth in the 60's, 70's and 80's building power plants.

My brother kept trying to get me to join as a Boilermaker apprentice in the early 1980s when I was in my early 20's, but both my father and grandfather told him they would fire him if I joined the Union.

So, I went on to join the ranks of boring copyright law.

My paternal grandfather was a steam engineer at General Dynamics for 20 years in San Diego. I was working a UT acquisition job on a sub at the San Diego Naval Base in the late 80's. The analysis crew got to work out of a hotel room which had all of their computer systems set up in it. We would bring the data back to them on tapes or disks, depending on what type of acquisition we were doing. I brought my grandpa to the data room to meet the analysis guys and show him a bit of what I was doing for a living.

Maybe you dodged a bullet not becoming a boilermaker..lol.

[ironyak]

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/06/2...gas-power/

Looks like the old boy actually gets it.  I've known Mark Glick for 20 years and he's been pushing Natural Gas for a lot longer than that.

lol - sounds more like the next climate lawsuit to be won by youth activists. Old dogs and new tricks and all that - you all are going to be the death of us all.

Governor Reignites Debate Over Liquefied Natural Gas Power

Gov. Josh Green has reversed a major state energy policy position of his predecessor in a move that many environmentalists don’t consider to be very “green.”

The governor has asked the Hawaii State Energy Office to reconsider liquefied natural gas as a possible “near term” interim option to replace oil as a fuel to produce electricity as utility companies work toward deriving 100% of their power from renewable sources by 2045 to meet a state goal.

Green publicly shared his view during the 11th annual Hawaii Energy Conference, held May 22-23 on Maui, where he told energy industry stakeholders and others that a cheaper fossil fuel that generates lower carbon emissions needs to be considered as a “bridge” that displaces more expensive and dirtier oil as utilities advance to the 2045 goal.

“I think that there has to be some form of bridge between now and 2045 if we truly want to lead on renewable energy,” he said. “If we can get to a future with a different bridge that decreases our reliance on classic fuel — oil, diesel — but gets us there in a healthier way, I think we have to look at it.”

Green said liquefied natural gas, or LNG, is one potential way, and he has asked the Energy Office to assess it and other options.

Mark Glick, director of the Energy Office, said the agency is assessing LNG as a near-term option to replace low-sulfur fuel oil that powers many aging power plants in Hawaii as part of Green’s objective to reduce energy costs and carbon emissions while the shift progresses to 100% renewable energy.

“LSFO (low-sulfur fuel oil) plays a major role in oil price volatility and high prices of electricity as well as placing Oahu as the most carbon intensive location among the states for producing electricity,” he said in a statement.

Glick said the agency should have critical cost and carbon analytical findings by mid-July.

The reconsideration of LNG represents a reversal of a position to not allow such a bridge fuel held by former Gov. David Ige with support from environmentalists.

However, prior to the 2014-2022 Ige administration, in which Green served as lieutenant governor from 2018 to 2022, state leaders have endorsed LNG as a replacement for oil burned at power plants.

For more than a decade prior to Ige’s term as governor, importing LNG had been discussed at times but wasn’t pursued largely because of high costs. That equation changed around 2012 when natural gas prices fell to a decade low on the mainland and fuel oil costs in Hawaii hit historic highs.

“Liquefied natural gas is a real option for us, and we’re looking at it very seriously,” Brian Schatz, who was then lieutenant governor to Gov. Neil Abercrombie and is now a U.S. senator representing Hawaii, said at the time. “It burns a lot cheaper and cleaner than coal or oil, so it’s attractive on a number of levels.”

Glick, who was appointed by Green in 2023 to lead the Energy Office after holding the same position from 2011 to 2016 under Abercrombie and Ige, said in 2012 that LNG would strictly have to be a replacement for oil and that nothing should diminish efforts to reduce Hawaii’s dependence on fossil fuels.

“We are totally dedicated to that, and we don’t want to give anybody the impression that we’re not,” Glick said 12 years ago.

The push to use LNG to generate electricity in Hawaii a little over a decade ago was largely driven by potential rate reductions for utility company customers who consistently pay far more for electricity than any other state because of Hawaii’s geographic isolation in the Pacific Ocean.

Hawaii’s reliance on imported oil to run power plants that still generate most power for Hawaiian Electric, which serves Oahu, Hawaii island, Maui, Molokai and Lanai, is the primary reason the state’s average electricity cost to residential customers is nearly triple the national average.

According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, natural gas was the largest source for U.S. electricity generation in 2022, at about 40%. The balance was from renewable sources (22%), coal (20%), nuclear (18%) and petroleum (1%).

Back in 2012, natural gas was the second-largest source of electricity generation in the U.S. after coal.

At that time, Kauai’s nonprofit utility company, the Kauai Island Utility Cooperative, estimated that the price per kilowatt-hour for customers could drop 11% to 40 cents from 45 cents by converting its power plants to run on LNG instead of petroleum-based naptha and diesel fuel.

A 2013 report commissioned by the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute, a University of Hawaii research unit, estimated that the cost of power at two Hawaiian Electric power plants on Oahu could drop by 40% to 55% with a shift to LNG from low-sulfur fuel oil.

Environmental and clean- energy groups, including the Sierra Club of Hawaii and Blue Planet Foundation, opposed LNG imports over concerns that expansion of renewable energy would suffer.

LNG pushback

The state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism soured on a broad 2014 plan by Hawaiian Electric that involved achieving 65% of power generated by renewable energy by 2030, converting fossil fuel power plants to run on LNG at a cost of roughly $200 million and cutting customer bills by 20%.

“Rather than using LNG as a bridge to a cleaner future, the (Hawaiian Electric) companies seem intent on using LNG as a bridge to more LNG,” the agency said in written comments on the plan being considered by the state Public Utilities Commission at the time.

Hawaiian Electric’s plan to use LNG totally came apart after Florida-based utility NextEra Energy made a bid to buy Hawaiian Electric in late 2014 for $4.3 billion.

NextEra, a far larger company with more financial resources, proposed a quicker shift to LNG for Hawaiian Electric that included spending $458 million to convert power generation units on Oahu, Maui and Hawaii island to run on LNG.

Hawaiian Electric estimated that the planned shift to LNG would save customers $850 million to $3.7 billion over 20 years, depending on oil price fluctuation.

Ige publicly opposed the NextEra deal, and in 2015 proclaimed his opposition to LNG as a bridge fuel because he said it would distract from investment in renewable energy.

“Any time and money spent on LNG is time and money not spent on renewable energy,” Ige said at the time.

The PUC in 2016 voted 2-0 to reject NextEra’s takeover, with one member obtaining.

After that, Hawaiian Electric abandoned plans for LNG, and environmental organizations celebrated.

“This goes to show that NextEra’s plans for Hawaii were all about LNG and committing ratepayers to a dirty energy future,” Kylie Wager, an Earthjustice attorney, said at the time.

New LNG look

Eight years later, Hawaiian Electric is still far from achieving the state’s 100% renewable energy goal.

The company reported that at the end of 2023 its share of power from renewable sources was 29.6%. KIUC was at 57.9% at the end of 2023, and aims to reach 100% by 2033.

Green said during the May energy conference that he believes Hawaii can both speed up renewable energy development and consider tapping an interim fossil fuel power source that is cheaper and cleaner than oil.

“I don’t think we have the luxury in the moment to take any options off the table,” he said, noting that he is only asking the Energy Office for an analysis and to proceed with what makes sense.

In March, Clint Churchill and Ed MacNaughton of the Practical Policy Institute of Hawaii said in written commentary for the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that Green should take the lead on reversing the de facto LNG ban and that achieving the state’s 100% renewable energy goal is not practicable.

Churchill and MacNaughton also said that the price for natural gas futures recently had reached its lowest point since 1990, adjusted for inflation.

Advocates for renewable energy and environmental protection don’t want to see a new move to import LNG even as an interim bridge fuel.

“This takes energy away from the rapid deployment of renewables,” said Henry Curtis, executive director of Life of the Land. “It is a false choice.”

Jeff Mikulina, a longtime local climate advocate, said he appreciates Green’s desire to explore alternatives to the status quo but believes the Energy Office will find that LNG is not a good interim power source during the transition to 100% renewable energy.

“It’s a bit of deja vu,” he said. “We’ve been here before. LNG is not a climate winner.”

Mikulina said the energy used to produce and ship LNG as well as leakage could make using the gas worse than coal, from a climate impact perspective.

Hawaiian Electric has not taken a position on LNG under the current circumstances.

“We’ll continue to follow the policy set by the state,” Darren Pai, a company spokesman, said in a statement. “We are currently aligned (with) the state and community on our decarbonization and clean energy goals and we are continuing on the path that we’re taking to reach 2045.”

[MyManao]

lol - sounds more like the next climate lawsuit to be won by youth activists.

Yep, it would all be so easy but... remember how easy wearing a mask and keeping social distance seemed when it was suggested? Sure, we can do that, especially since it will help keep the neighbors safe.. right?

But no.. freedom and all that.  Which turned into the freedom of 1 million people to die unnecessarily.. all for some sick MAGA BS..

Yep, anything that requires cooperation is doomed.. after all, climate change is a hoax.. right?

[Punatang]

More than cooperation, it's the lack of willingness to make personal sacrifices.  I commend the youths on this endeavor.  I would be more impressed if they also, each personally committed exclusively to walking, biking, and/or riding public transportation, cajoling and helping their family and friends to transition from dependence on the CO2 monster tourism industry, buying only locally produced food and clothing, etc.  

If anyone here on PW can share what you have personally sacrificed to reduce CO2 or climate change, and make suggestions on how others can emulate your example, that might be a positive and worthy direction for this thread.