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(10-27-2024, 07:04 AM)TomK Wrote: Jeeze. Who else uses the Obie profile? I think one point that is being subtly made to you is that PW is not an HPP forum. Most people in Puna and Hawaii do not live in HPP. They don't care about what you think is important. This is why I suggested a sub-forum.
On the other hand, if you insist on posting about HPP, please keep it to one or two threads that are clearly HPP topics. If you post a thread entitled "HISTORY AS PROMISED," people will go there to understand what it's about and see that it's yet another HPP thread. This does you no favors other than making others think you're seeking attention. -------------
Apologies, I was just posting info about the Owners/Members meeting. As apparently did Obie . I posted a copy of the agenda (as did Obie later) and the title page to a 308 page archaeological study, which I thought others might find interesting. I did not feel this information belonged under "History," as the meeting is not until tomorrow (Sunday, October 27, 2024).
The Watamull info was shared with me later in the day. I shared it when I was notified.
I have no intention of posting anything new, anytime soon.
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Assuming that all of the Watumull owned lots other than the 20 acre parcels have been long ago sold, why would the Watumull's even care at this point what happens to those 20 acre parcels? If I was part of the "family" I would relinquish them to HPP, remove deed restrictions and wash my hands of the entire mess. Continuing to spend money on lawyers for control of the 20 acre parcels which are supposedly only for parks or community interests, seems rather pointless.
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(10-27-2024, 01:51 PM)leilanidude Wrote: Assuming that all of the Watumull owned lots other than the 20 acre parcels have been long ago sold, why would the Watumull's even care at this point what happens to those 20 acre parcels? If I was part of the "family" I would relinquish them to HPP, remove deed restrictions and wash my hands of the entire mess. Continuing to spend money on lawyers for control of the 20 acre parcels which are supposedly only for parks or community interests, seems rather pointless. ---------------------
Aloha. As I have said before, history matters. The board should have read their history, which outlines why the lots are deeded for Parks, recreation, and schools. The board should have read the letters/conversations between Paradise Hui Hanalike and their attorneys regarding the restricted parcels and WHY they were/are restricted. The board should have read the settlement, regarding those parcels and why they were being deeded to Paradise Hui Hanalike and what Paradise Hui Hanalike's obligations were.
It might all seem pointless, but only if you have not read the history.
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which outlines why the lots are deeded for Parks, recreation, and schools
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There appears to be deed restrictions, not that the lots are "deeded for".
You are stating that the Watamulls no longer own the properties, correct?
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Current TMK data suggests that some are HPPOA, some are Watamull, one is County.
County zoning maps (from 2018) have all the large HPP parcels zoned O (OPEN).
Permitted use: aquaculture, cemeteries, community buildings, existing churches, forestry, game preserve, natural features (as a tourist attraction), public park. Crematorium, golf course, yacht harbor, windmills allowable subject to use permit.
Not so much a "deed restriction" as a zoning issue; the land could be rezoned if County saw fit to do so.
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Deed restrictions are not zoning restrictions and have nothing to do with the County. Deed restrictions are a contractual agreement between the person who gives/sells a property and the person who accepts/buys the property. In Hawaii (probably anywhere) people can have all kinds of Deed restrictions. And while they may seem "ridiculous" to others, if the parties AGREE to the restrictions, they are binding.
Paradise Hui Hanalike wanted the parcels to remain restricted. They WANTED their parks and golf courses, and so they agreed. In addition, Paradise Hui Hanalike was given other concessions in their settlement agreement. And Paradise Hui Hanalike agreed to these as well (some of which they have not followed through on).
Land in HPP carry deeds that are guaranteed in Land Court (again, nothing to do with zoning).
HPPOA has broken their contract. And while I am not a lawyer, I would say, that in doing so, they have violated the settlement agreement as well.
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It's a shame that they came up with a creative solution to the mailbox problem, yet people who didn't like the solution (I.E. Can't walk to their mailbox anymore) have nothing better to do than try to force them to do what they want them to do. Even though what they want them to do has already been nixed by the post office. All the while wasting lots of money.
What would be great is if the post office said they are no longer going to service the existing boxes, then NO one would have mail delivery. Wonder how that would work out? Guess you have to sue the post office then. Oh no, force the HPP association to sue the post office, wasting even more money.
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Aloha Mr. O.
Again, not about mailboxes. It is about fiduciary duty. And now some on this board, with their big push and not researching history (or ignoring history) have placed EVERYTHING, that was granted in the settlement, at risk.
In addition? Guess who is paying for it? Owners. Owners, with their Road Maintenance Fee Money.
This is not about mailboxes AT ALL. It is about following law, court orders, and bylaw.
But since you mentioned mailboxes- my family and I do not have one in HPP. There were never enough. So, we pay over $800/year to rent one in Pahoa. Not convenient. Not cheap. But we aren't using anyone else's road fee money to pay for it and we are not jeopardizing other people's assets.
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not researching history (or ignoring history)
Patricia,
Many of your arguments rest on your statement above. But not everything is chiseled in stone, forever unchanged. Laws change, deeds change, zoning changes. The US Constitution has been amended many times. Hawaii has changed from chiefdom to kingdom to territory to state.
As George Harrison sang All Things Must Pass.
I’ve lived in HPP since the last century. Boy have I seen changes here.
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10-28-2024, 04:00 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-28-2024, 04:03 AM by Obie.)
Patricia has been busy disrupting the HPPOA meeting but she just stormed out and will be right here to correct your thinking .
"Aloha Mr. O."
Aloha Patricia, my username is Obie, unless you want to be Ms Pee.
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