01-25-2025, 06:35 AM (This post was last modified: 01-25-2025, 06:37 AM by sistersue.
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I found out today that my neighbor has lost 3 cats in the last 9 months. They just never came home. Now, my granddaughter's cat has gone missing. She's had him for 10 years and he is a good and gentle pet. Another one of her cats that we all loved was poisoned and died in her arms about 6 months ago. Does anyone have any idea what could be going on? This is way too many missing cats to be a coincidence. Thanks.
The only predator that comes to mind is stray dogs. Assuming the cats were healthy, the next likely explanation might be human involvement. It could be worth asking neighbors if anyone is trapping cats and, if so, where they are taking them. In the past, humanely trapped cats were typically brought to the Humane Society, but I’m not sure who handles them now.
I'd say the issue comes down to the thinking that domesticated cats (and dogs for that matter) being allowed to "roam free" without any repercussions is an OK thing to do.
01-25-2025, 06:32 PM (This post was last modified: 01-25-2025, 07:20 PM by Punatang.)
Pet disappearance has been an ongoing problem in Hawaii. Over the years, many bills were introduced to explicitly ban the consumption of cats and dogs here. All of them have been defeated.
As recently as 2024 there was a bill which aimed to protect our pets but it died in the State Legislature for some reason.
In 2014, the House Committee on Agriculture advanced SB 2026, a bill to ban the practice of eating cats and dogs. That bill failed, reportedly, due to the failure of Speaker of The House Joe Souki to schedule the final committee hearing. There was evidently a desire for more discussion of the cultural reasons behind cat and dog consumption.
As a result, Hawaii does not have a specific law prohibiting the consumption of dogs and cats.
There is basically a loophole in the state's anti-cruelty law that ultimately allows for the consumption of dogs and cats "if bred for human consumption" and killed "humanely."
This loophole has led to ongoing issues with cat and dog slaughter in Hawaii, despite repeated efforts to change the legislation.
Even if there was a solid law aimed at preventing consumption of cats and dogs, would it be enforced?
(01-25-2025, 06:35 AM)sistersue Wrote: one of her cats that we all loved was poisoned and died in her arms about 6 months ago..
Yep, sistersue, the humans hereabouts, well at least enough of them to be a danger to all our pets, think it's alright to solve their 'problems' by taking another's life.
I got one neighbor likes to feed his chickens.. who roam wild and make a mess for at least a half block around his place.. with an abundance of scratch.. and all the pigeons and doves like get in on the feast.. so the loose cats come around to hunt the birds.. and the guy doing the feeding likes to, as he says, 'poke' a cat for fun. He uses a pellet gun.. you hear the swoosh of the air from the gun and bang there goes another cat. He actually throws them in the street to rot..
There's been a habit by man to think he dominates and can disregard life willy nilly.. it's an ego thing. My life is sacred and f*ck the rest of them. Just look at the attitudes being passed off as civilized.. people think only of themselves. When in fact it is them that make earth the shit show it has become. I mean., come on, they argue that global warming is BS so they can continue to destroy the planet..
When Kalapana burned the folks being evacuated left their pets.. abandoned them by the hundreds. Seemingly they felt they were expendable.. that's the way they were raised.. life is cheap.. unless you threaten their's. Then they go on about their love for guns.
Back in 'the day' it was popular for folks to soak meat in Paraquat and leave it out for dogs.. now they use antifreeze. Same same.. they think their life is special and the rest forfeit for the least inconvenience. Like the lady here that suggest the problem is animals that roam rather than that mankind is so full of shit as to think his is the only life that is sacred. Where if she had any humanity in her at all she would be unable to stomach her own selfishness. Although, she's right about one thing.. the world has turned evil and all you can do is control what happens in your place.. in your heart. And, yes if the man down the block likes to kill well the government don't give a shit.. he's free to kill and woe to anyone that likes try and stop him..
I have a cat that I rescued as a young feral cat. Try as I may, I can't get him to stay inside at night.
It wants out about 7:00pm and back in at 7:00am.
I bought a Tractive Gps Tracker to see where he went at night.
It maps his adventures for the entire night. He usually covers about 3.5 miles every night in a hub and spoke pattern, always returning home for a snack during the night and also to sleep.
I contacted the 3 neighbors whose yards he would roam in and asked if it was okay and asked them not to trap him.
They all agreed.
He roams because he has killed all of the rats, mice, geckos and coqui frogs in my yard and is hunting for more.
(01-25-2025, 08:38 PM)Obie Wrote: I have a cat that I rescued as a young feral cat. Try as I may, I can't get him to stay inside at night.
It wants out about 7:00pm and back in at 7:00am.
I bought a Tractive Gps Tracker to see where he went at night.
It maps his adventures for the entire night. He usually covers about 3.5 miles every night in a hub and spoke pattern, always returning home for a snack during the night and also to sleep.
I contacted the 3 neighbors whose yards he would roam in and asked if it was okay and asked them not to trap him.
They all agreed.
He roams because he has killed all of the rats, mice, geckos and coqui frogs in my yard and is hunting for more.
01-26-2025, 01:21 AM (This post was last modified: 01-26-2025, 03:07 AM by HiloJulie.)
"Back in 'the day'"
Yes, always back in your glory days hey?
"Like the lady here that suggest the problem is animals that roam rather than that mankind is so full of shit as to think his is the only life that is sacred."
Spoken with such "confident stupidity" that it is astounding! The comment I made implies, without required explanation, at least to anyone with critical thinking skills, is that HUMANS allowing domesticated pets to "roam free" is the core problem, and most likely, the outcome is a dead or severely injured pet, and while yes, possibly by some uncaring idiot human, but most likely by another animal. Several times a month here in the Acres, I have heard the screams of, most likely a cat, or small puppy being sacrificed at the paws and mouth of some other animal. Screams that every time I hear them, make my skin crawl.
"Where if she had any humanity in her at all she would be unable to stomach her own selfishness."
Again, the confident stupidity abounds! My husband and I raised 2 children, and all our lives, (my first dog was born before I was) have had numerous cats, dogs, goldfish, toads, turtles, rabbits, on and on. And to be really clear, had the decency and humanity at times to have to make the tough, yet necessary and especially humane decision to put that pet to sleep, especially when in pain or riddled with cancer or some other incurable disease. Also, humans who think their pets think just like a human does is another bigger contributing problem.
Letting a domesticated pet cat or dog "roam free" is like letting a little toddler go play in traffic. Further, having any pet and allowing that pet to "roam free" is not really a domesticated "house pet." It's a feral animal you trapped in your house.
I will also say, in the overall scheme of life, raising the 2 kids was easier to do than any and all of our pets were.
When a human domesticates an animal, gets it accustomed to a warm bed, meal(s) every day, soft cuddles and pets and baby talk and especially if raised with other pets, like a cat with a dog for example, but then that UNCARING, UNLOVING pet owner thinks it's OK to let little Fluffy the kitty go on a midnight hunt, and then, along comes Spike, the pit bull of another uncaring and unloving pet owner who thinks it's OK to let big Spike go "roam free" and procreate (like you would do "back in the day") with any moving thing or whatever, and meets up with Fluffy, what do you think the outcome of that will be?
It isn't "kumbaya" that's for sure!
At any event, in almost 70 years of being a pet owner, I never had any pet "disappear." Thats because I was too loving and humane of a person and made sure that any pet COULD NOT wander off, nor was EVER permitted to "roam free."
Pet ownership is far more complex than buying a fuzzy toy and a bag if the cheapest kittles you can find at Tractor Supply. Way more complex than that.
