The Bicker Board

[Obie]

"He said that he worried for his workers, even though they had legal status."

If they are legal they will be fine unless they have criminal convictions.

I can't get past the paywall but that article is dated about the same time as the others.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

If they are legal they will be fine unless they have criminal convictions.

We all wish that were true.  But there’s plenty of evidence that it’s not the case for everyone after ICE apprehends them. 

If “the operation in Hawaii” only arrested “criminal illegal aliens charged with kidnapping, assault, distribution of deadly drugs, domestic abuse, and theft” do you think we would be having this discussion?  I’ll answer for myself. No.

[ironyak]

As apparently some need help following the bouncing ball in addition to a review of basic grammar...

Obie - it started out as one report that was repeated over and over ... Is ICE still there arresting coffee farmers every day ?
SFGate - Kapela said ICE is not around every day but instead come in waves every couple of weeks.

Obie - If they are legal they will be fine unless they have criminal convictions.
And you know this how? With an administration already shown to have illegally deported hundreds of individuals (as the courts keep finding), your faith in the process is based on what exactly? You're making a lot of effort to be an apologist for jack-booted thugs subverting the rule of law in Hawaii and elsewhere in order to meet arbitrary quotas set by white nationalists.

[Obie]

Jeez---now you're the grammar police.

illegally deported hundreds of individuals (as the courts keep finding),

I saw one person in your link who may be innocent.

[leilanidude]

workers should be offered pathways to immigrate legally
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We already have legal ways to immigrate.

[MyManao]

We already have legal ways to immigrate..

And, just think, now we have armed white national thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods too.

It's a twofer.. ain't America grand?

[Obie]

I'm still waiting for the update on the coffee farms.
Enough hysteria. FACTS

I did find a huge number of jobs listed on the interweb for coffee pickers in Hawaii. None at $30.00/ hour.
Even some of those wwoofer sites.

Hey maybe they can recruit Morman kids like they did back in the 70's and 80's at Dole on Oahu.
Screen out the sexual deviants from the supervisors this time though.

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" armed white national thugs terrorizing our neighborhoods too."

What neighborhood do you live in ?

[ironyak]

leilanidude - We already have legal ways to immigrate.
And ICE is showing up and arresting those those that already went through the process legally and others that are actively engaged in that process. Yet somehow green card holders in Hawaii "will be fine" because rando in Ohio says so.

Obie - I saw one person in your link who may be innocent.
Then go read all the other cases and understand what "class action" means. Federal judges says one thing, but Obie says otherwise - oh, whom to believe...?

Always the dumbest people doing mental gymnastics to support authoritarians, I swear...

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I saw one person in your link who may be innocent.

And as noted here earlier, ICE is not reporting statistics for Hawaii.  Any reports that are issued contain no details.  So from that - - we can be sure only one innocent person has been arrested?

Additional note:  The people conducting these roundups often wear masks, sometimes street clothes with no markings, they provide no identification, no information for relatives of the person who’s taken but not always arrested - - so without accountability from start to finish is ICE your best statistical source from the few reports they do issue?

[MyManao]

Always the dumbest people doing mental gymnastics to support authoritarians, I swear...

As Ken pointed out.. there's always gonna be more dumb people than smart people.. so yeah, being a boot licking white guy terrorizing all the brown folk is all the rage these days.. sheesh, I hear, on our local forum, there's a lot folks that like they do like that.. in Ohio.