Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids in Hawaii

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I just have a problem with sensationalized reporting.

I have a problem with desensitized reactions, and the inability of people to recognize the bait and switch from “worst of the worst” to being hunky dory with including among “the worst” Hawaii coffee farmers, Kahului teachers, and teenage girls at the Honolulu airport.  And fine with inciting a vague undefined fear among some who reside in Hawaii who are so far from “the worst” criminals that they have never even received a parking ticket, or jaywalking citation.  Like students at UHH who want nothing more than to work hard, educate themselves, and become contributing members of society.  Who already have to worry about assignment deadlines, applications for student loans, tuition payments, and what they can afford to eat while in school.  Do they deserve to have a sword dangle over their heads which threatens to cut off all they’ve worked for up until this point?  Don’t they already have enough to worry about?  

If you paid attention in high school English class you might have read the warning:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984

['elepaio]

Two weeks to flatten the curve.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I'm not the one who posted a NY Times article that is behind a paywall .
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Two weeks to flatten the curve.

Who needs paywalls?  “Hold my beer.”

[Obie]

The article you linked states that the arrest rates went up 585 % since 2024.

It went from .14 per day to .8 per day.

585 % is sensationalized reporting.

[MyManao]

The article you linked states that the arrest rates went up 585 % since 2024.

It went from .14 per day to .8 per day.

585 % is sensationalized reporting.

Yep I agree, math, and the notion that folks in Puna could possibly understand it, is sensational.

Otherwise it's just math.. facts.. being used to show the sensational growth in illegal deportations hereabout.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

The article you linked states that the arrest rates went up 585 % since 2024.

The article gathered the information from government reports for all 50 states including Hawaii.  They showed the actual number arrests increased as well as the percentage.  It is accurate. 

I’ve heard and seen officials, TV stations, and websites conjure numbers and percentages out of thin air to “prove” an agenda they wish to promote.  I’ve also heard that people watch these sources on a regular basis.  And no matter how often the information is proved incorrect the viewers continue to watch. 

I don’t know about you, but if someone repeatedly lies to me, I avoid them.  Except as an occasional curiosity, or when I look for the source of a new word their parrots have been taught.

[leilanidude]

Thought I would throw this out here.
The AI version:

During the Obama administration (2009-2016), the U.S. government conducted
approximately 3.1 million formal removals. This figure refers to official expulsions of non-citizens from the country.
To determine the average daily number of formal removals, divide the total number of removals (3.1 million) by the number of days in the two terms of office (8 years x 365.25 days/year).
Calculation:

Total formal removals: 3,100,000
Number of days: 8 years * 365.25 days/year = 2,922 days
Average daily removals: 3,100,000 / 2,922 ≈ 1,061 people per day

Therefore, on average, roughly 1,061 individuals were formally removed per day during the Obama administration.
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Were you complaining then?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Were you complaining then?

No.
It’s not how many.
It’s who and how.
The innocent and the kidnapped.

The only people who might complain about deportation of the “worst of the worst” are the “worst of the worst.”

[Durian Fiend]

The article you linked states that the arrest rates went up 585 % since 2024.

It went from .14 per day to .8 per day.

585 % is sensationalized reporting.

Well, they must have been rounding a wee bit because I only get 571%.  

Otherwise, I don't see how reporting a statistic can be construed as sensationalizing. 

The number given for Hawaii on the map for ICE arrests through June 10 is 120.  An increase of 585% means that for the same time period last year there were 20 arrests.  That's a big jump!
Or more precisely, dividing 120 by 5.85 gives 20.51.

[ironyak]

Civil Beat has some local independent reporting that also arrives at a ~500% increase, so the math be mathing. Also has some useful graphs. Hawaii's congressional folks (minus Ed Case, because, of course) condemned the ICE activities and highlighted the concerns over due process.

Continuing the 250-year anniversary theme for those who skipped U.S. History to tinker with their car - "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence. - John Adams (first U.S. Vice President, second U.S. President)"

https://www.civilbeat.org/2025/07/immigr...e-tactics/
"With the arrests of immigrants surging, most of Hawaiʻi’s congressional delegation accuse federal immigration agents of creating “fear and terrorizing communities” in the Aloha State in a letter to be sent Tuesday to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.

“Rather than making us safer or more secure, your needlessly aggressive immigration enforcement has created chaos and confusion in our communities while raising due process concerns,” the letter said, signed by U.S. Sens. Mazie Hirono and Brian Schatz, and Rep. Jill Tokuda.

Notably absent among the letter’s signatories: Hawaiʻi U.S. Rep. Ed Case." (more at link)