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07-05-2025, 06:34 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-05-2025, 07:50 PM by HereOnThePrimalEdge.)
I attempted to find out more about the DMSP satellites this morning and here’s what our AI overlords had to say:
ChatGPT: insists DMSP was decommissioned in 2019. I say insists as I posed my question in three different ways.
Google Gemini: says DMSP are still operating, but data to NOAA will cease either the end of June, or July 2025.
So good luck, we have a system that will connect you to every truth, every lie, and a multiple choice selection of facts. Which is substantially different from a multiple choice selection of comments and opinions. In the past I never had too much trouble separating facts from “facts” but the system is changing.
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Invest 97E has developed to our southeast. This is the first tropical disturbance of the season and could lead to some rainfall later this weekend.
Also, La Nina conditions exist currently in the Pacific and are expected to persist through summer.
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The DMSP satellites are no longer needed. The story has been updated.
"Congress voted to terminate the DMSP program as far back as 2015 and DMSP will be replaced by the Weather System Follow-on Microwave (WSF-M) and the Electro-Optical/Infrared Weather System (EWS). DMSP satellites remain operational today but are more than a decade past their expected end of life. While the discontinuation of certain data streams from DMSP may seem alarming, the transition to WSF-M and EWS represents a modernization effort aimed at providing more resilient and enhanced environmental monitoring capabilities to improve our ability to understand and predict weather phenomena, including tropical cyclones."
https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/messages/..._1815.html
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(07-03-2025, 11:22 PM)randomq Wrote: I can't wait for one of our diehards to explain why this change is a good thing for Hawaii.
Obie has solved your concern caused by your source of information being CBS "news"...
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your source of information being CBS "news"...
Other sources of information report that with NOAA’s skeleton crew they are limited in what they can analyze, report and post for the public. Equipment becomes “unnecessary.” NOAA leadership is less interested in scientific research and knowledge than of showing some form of allegiance to a person who never reads and is a font of misinformation.
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Without the DMSP satellites' microwave sensors, NOAA and the NWS will lose the ability to probe deep into storms and hurricanes. The GOES infrared sensors can only see so much and can't monitor what's happening in the center of a storm, so they cannot determine with certainty whether the center is strengthening or weakening. Not only does this mean the evolution of the future storm is harder to predict, but its track forecast becomes less certain.
What benefit is that to people in regions prone to hurricanes?
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07-26-2025, 08:49 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-26-2025, 08:50 PM by ironyak.)
From Obie's link - "Due to recent service changes, the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) and Navy’s Fleet Numerical Meteorology and Oceanography Center (FNMOC) will discontinue ingesting, processing and distribution of all DMSP data to NOAA no later than July 31, 2025 ... WSF-M has reached initial operational capability (IOC) and initial data is being delivered to DoD users. The DoD is working towards full operational capability (FOC) which includes the technical work to send the data to NOAA as soon as possible."
So DMSP is going away on July 31st but the replacement WSF-M is being sent to NOAA as soon as possible? Will it be soon enough? When does Hawaii's hurricane season start? ;)
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(07-05-2025, 06:34 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: I attempted to find out more about the DMSP satellites this morning and here’s what our AI overlords had to say:
ChatGPT: insists DMSP was decommissioned in 2019. I say insists as I posed my question in three different ways.
Google Gemini: says DMSP are still operating, but data to NOAA will cease either the end of June, or July 2025.
So good luck, we have a system that will connect you to every truth, every lie, and a multiple choice selection of facts. Which is substantially different from a multiple choice selection of comments and opinions. In the past I never had too much trouble separating facts from “facts” but the system is changing.
I think it's accurate to say we have a "system" that allows people to come to any conclusion they want, but very few of those conclusions are the "truth". Don't use AI for research and don't rely on sources such as Wikipedia, where contributions can come from AI, stupid people, or those with an agenda, who are trolls or conspiracy theorists.
There are ways to obtain accurate information, but unfortunately, it may not be easily accessible to everyone, especially those who are unwilling to conduct their research with a skeptical mind. The last thing you want to do is to start with AI.
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(07-26-2025, 08:49 PM)ironyak Wrote: From Obie's link - "Due to recent service changes, the Defense Meteorological Satellite Program (DMSP) and Navy’s Fleet Numerical Meteorology and Oceanography Center (FNMOC) will discontinue ingesting, processing and distribution of all DMSP data to NOAA no later than July 31, 2025 ... WSF-M has reached initial operational capability (IOC) and initial data is being delivered to DoD users. The DoD is working towards full operational capability (FOC) which includes the technical work to send the data to NOAA as soon as possible."
So DMSP is going away on July 31st but the replacement WSF-M is being sent to NOAA as soon as possible? Will it be soon enough? When does Hawaii's hurricane season start? 
"While the Department of Defense did successfully launched another weather satellite known as the Weather System Follow-on Microwave (WSF-M) in April 2024, that data isn’t currently available to forecasters and it’s not clear if or when data access will be permitted."
https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/p/cri...ecast-tool
“The extension of this crucial data through July by direct NASA order speaks to how blindsided government forecasters were by the DoD’s sudden decision to terminate the data,” said Michael Lowry, a hurricane expert who has worked at the National Hurricane Center and the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/30/clima...fline.html
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"I think it's accurate to say we have a "system" that allows people to come to any conclusion they want, but very few of those conclusions are the "truth". Don't use AI for research and don't rely on sources such as Wikipedia, where contributions can come from AI, stupid people, or those with an agenda, who are trolls or conspiracy theorists.
There are ways to obtain accurate information, but unfortunately, it may not be easily accessible to everyone, especially those who are unwilling to conduct their research with a skeptical mind. The last thing you want to do is to start with AI."
^^^ Brilliant Mr. TomK ^^^
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