DHHL meetings on geothermal energy exploration

[Punatang]

Regarding posting etiquette, years ago Rob established a form of a link with some part of the linked article quoted. And while we can discuss the importance of having access to information behind paywalls to support a poster's premise, I think the link and quotes makes for a more enjoyable experience overall. And besides paywalls are there to protect copyright, and the holder's right to monetize it. Of course, in most cases archive.is/ does circumvent all that, it is still nice to keep the pages of PW to a nice digestible format. Rob also asked us not to quote other posts we are responding to at full length but rather quote a snippet and allow the reader to go back to the original if they wanted the info again. But some people think they have to repost the entirety of other's post so as to drive home a point.. which is silly methinks, and the flow of posts suffers because of it, imo, of course.


What does any of that have to do with Geothermal, MyMan!?

[TomK]

Regarding posting etiquette, "blah"

How is the criminal case progressing? Have you even reported the "crime"?

[Punatang]

[TomK]

Oh my. That was funny. I've never heard of the show, but that has to have come from the Starsky and Hutch era.

[leilanidude]

I support nuclear energy, whether it's fission or fusion, but neither is suitable for Hawaii.
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Please explain why not.

[MyManao]

I support nuclear energy, whether it's fission or fusion, but neither is suitable for Hawaii.
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Please explain why not.

The most obvious, to me, is that the state of nuclear technology is predicated on the deployment of facilities that are far too big for our needs and very little has been done in a practical sense on building out mini-reactors. And, on top of that, our laws prohibit development. Both issues are noted in the Recommendations and Conclusion section of the Advanced Nuclear Power Technologies in Hawai‘i Report to the Hawaiʻi State Legislature, Regular Session of 2026 which states..

HSEO asserts that existing State laws are adequate to address current concerns associated with nuclear energy. Conventional nuclear reactor design leads to power plants being too large for the State, often in the 1,000MW range, and very few advanced nuclear reactor designs, such as Small Modular Reactors, have been built around the world. Consequently, this solution is not currently a match for the State in terms of cost or technical readiness. As such, specific impacts on health, the environment, and electricity bills remain hard to articulate and discuss in an actionable way.

Modifications to two key state laws that currently restrict nuclear development—1) Article XI, Section 8 of the Hawai‘i Constitution, and 2) Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §269-91, the State’s Renewable Portfolio Standard, would be required and would be subject to approval by the State Legislature. HSEO does not recommend any amendments to the State Constitution or the Renewable Portfolio Standard to accommodate nuclear energy at this time. No proposed legislation is included in this report.

Overall the report goes into great detail of Nuclear Power and the obstacles of it being deployed here.

Which brings us back to geothermal, the one renewable technology that has the ability to meet all our needs and scale up to meet any future needs, all with very little use of the land, and practically no waste. That's why having the DHHL lead the way at this point is such a good idea. Not only are they motivated to meet their own needs, but by them, rather than haoles, dealing with the (don't mess with Pele) taboos that haunt the industry it has a far better chance of being embraced overall in the future.

[Punatang]

Rob also asked us not to quote other posts we are responding to at full length but rather quote a snippet and allow the reader to go back to the original if they wanted the info again. But some people think they have to repost the entirety of other's post so as to drive home a point.. which is silly methinks, and the flow of posts suffers because of it, imo, of course. - MyManao


You broke Rob's Rules in the very next post you made after saying people are silly for doing what you went right ahead and did just as soon as you could.  If you're going to be The Punaweb Post Police Person, you probably should begin with - you, MyManao.

   

[MyManao]

said something unrelated to this thread...

But hey, 'Tang, if you got any ideas about geothermal.. or how we might meet our energy needs.. Tom broadened it.. I responded to the broadened.. But really.. what do you think of the DHHL folks going into the geothermal business? That's pretty cool, don't you think? Really, what do you think?

[Punatang]

The truth is that Tom mocked you relentlessly , quite correctly, for accusing people of "crimes".  I think you posted a great deal of unrelated nonsense into your own thread and now you want to avoid acknowledging your own perfidy.  I'll leave it up to Tom to judge if I have assessed this all correctly.  

If you want to stick to the subject, then stick to the subject - just like I was doing when you made your libelous and false accusations of me committing a "crime."  You have not been sticking to the subject at all.  I would prefer that we do.  You seem to just want to tell others what and how to post, and then not do that which you demand of others, yourself.  Can you stick to the subject, My Manao?  Please?

ETA: Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. vvv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDkYdQuuLzg2A&t=61&v=kYdQuuLzg2A

[TomK]

I support nuclear energy, whether it's fission or fusion, but neither is suitable for Hawaii.
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Please explain why not.

If we're talking about large power plants, which is what I'm referring to, they need to be near a water source for cooling.  For Hawaii, that's the ocean. Secondly, you need to build a plant in an area where significant earthquakes don't occur, for very obvious reasons.  Thirdly, you don't want to build a nuclear power plant in an area at risk of large tsunamis. That lesson was learned in Fukushima. Fourthly, for Hawaii Island, you need to locate the plant in a place that isn't threatened by volcanic activity. Finally, we can rule out fusion because we've yet to demonstrate the ability to sustain nuclear fusion to the point where it becomes a viable and reliable energy source.

There are other options which may be suitable, much smaller reactors that can be buried and power a small number of houses, but it's not a serious option vs solar, wind, geothermal, etc.

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The truth is that Tom mocked you relentlessly for accusing people of "crimes".  I think you posted a great deal of unrelated nonsense into your own thread and now you want to avoid acknowledging your own perfidy.  I'll leave it up to Tom to judge if I have assessed this all correctly.  

The only correction I'd make is that "relentlessly" is the wrong word. MyManao accused you of committing a crime.  At least that was his opinion. I think any decent citizen of Hawaii would report a crime they witnessed to the police. In my opinion, that's a civic duty. The only other thing I posted was a question about how the criminal action was going.