Mauna Kea Toll Road?

[Durian Fiend]

.. Even the Red Cross was suspect. They admitted to well over $10 mil in donations attributed directly to the lava event and were simply handing out $200 Visa cards.

Who is "they"-the Red Cross?  If so please give a reference for your claim that they took in 10 million during Fissure 8.  

I don't believe it.

[HiloJulie]

Lots of online talk went around about the amounts of donated monies to numerous charities (and some weren't even charities) was going around in 2018/19. Even the Red Cross was suspect. They admitted to well over $10 mil in donations attributed directly to the lava event and were simply handing out $200 Visa cards.

Yes, the absolute most fact-based news comes from "the internet" and "people are saying."

Would love to see a link to a verified news outlet where the Red Cross "admits" to taking in over 10 million for the Hawaii County lava flows.

But then, the original question was about millions being donated to "The Hub."

[leilanidude]

Red Cross received over $37 mil in spring/summer 2018. Some money went to the flooding on Kauai and Maui, which started a couple months into the lava event.

[HiloJulie]

Red Cross received over $37 mil in spring/summer 2018. Some money went to the flooding on Kauai and Maui, which started a couple months into the lava event.

Considering that the Red Cross does not publicly isolate or itemize exact donation totals down to individual, smaller-scale localized disasters (such as the 2018 Kilauea lava flows) in its annual financial reports or to various news organizations but rather funnels them into broader regional or national disaster relief funds, I find your claim to be dubious.

Again, what about the claim of "millions" being donated to "The Hub?"

[MyManao]

Again, what about the claim of "millions" being donated to "The Hub?"

Or, better yet, why not tell us about your money, Dude? Why not we all dissect what you do with yours? 

As I said.. maybe you'd be better off tending your own affairs rather than going off on others. What DHHL does with theirs is none of your business. None of my business. It's theirs. Why do you think you have any business thinking about it in the first place?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Just like the millions in donations for "The Hub"
Even the Red Cross was suspect.

Why aren’t we talking about other questionable “donations” and where they went?  Corporate tax rates were recently cut from 35% to 21%, presumably an amount meant to reflect budget requirements for necessary government operations.  Yet large corporations have effectively provided themselves with even greater “donations” to their bottom line through subsidies, as billionaires politely call them, welfare if it’s individuals.  Amazon pays 1.4% which means the middle class must pay more to make up the shortfall.

https://itep.org/jeff-bezos-taxes-amazon...subsidies/

But then, the government also cuts programs that benefit residents of Puna by claiming waste and fraud, as a dancing monkey with a chainsaw weaves and struts across a stage, hoping his performance will divert questions about his own massive “subsidies” without which he could not effectively operate his businesses, which then generate inflated profit margins, and requests for a trillion dollar pay package.  Because he’s a genius?

From that perspective maybe The Hub and DHHL toll shack operators are local geniuses in their own right?

Meanwhile, as those who might also be questioned about where the money came from for their yachts and private jets, thanks to middle class donations for billionaires, here’s an ongoing list of what that Puna middle class and Puna residents with even less have been forced to do without:
https://punaweb.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=23577

[TomK]

Or, better yet, why not tell us about your money, Dude? Why not we all dissect what you do with yours? 

Please. We're discussing money given to organizations, not the personal finances of posters on PW.

[leilanidude]

What DHHL does with theirs is none of your business. None of my business. It's theirs. Why do you think you have any business thinking about it in the first place?
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They get tax money. They need to be held accountable.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

They get tax money. They need to be held accountable.

Yes!
Can we include tax deductions on tax returns for both corporate and individuals?  Because they get tax money by not making tax payments?  I have a friend in Kaimu who worked for the IRS years ago.  He said the reason the IRS goes after Head Of Family claims (one of the most likely to trigger an audit) is because it’s easy and the individuals who check that line on their tax form are generally not financially capable to hire a lawyer by the hour to argue with government employees.  The wealthy with attorneys on retainer can fight the IRS for years at no cost to their bottom line.  So for instance, if you claim you paid your daughter over $700,000 as a “consultant” with no supporting documentation, you can then engage in infinite delays and excuses why the documents are not required or available at this time (we digitized the paperwork! The hard drive discombobulated, technically speaking, but we’re working on it, really!). 

It’s easier and provides a higher collection rate for IRS agents to go after lower middle class taxpayers in places like Puna. Especially when trained agents who are capable of understanding complex forms and the legality of unusual deductions are systematically found to be redundant and disappear from the government payrolls.  With claims that YOUR government is finally saving YOUR money on an unnecessary and bloated  workforce.  And bird brains (see another recent thread) believe it’s they who benefit.  Sure.

[MyManao]

What DHHL does with theirs is none of your business. None of my business. It's theirs. Why do you think you have any business thinking about it in the first place?
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They get tax money. They need to be held accountable.

Wrong. Seriously, Dude, you missed the mark entirely here.

From.. https://law.justia.com/constitution/hawa...art12.html

Article 12 of the State of Hawaii Constitution

HAWAIIAN AFFAIRS
HAWAIIAN HOMES COMMISSION ACT

Which in part reads..

Thirty percent of the state receipts derived from the leasing of cultivated sugarcane lands under any provision of law or from water licenses shall be transferred to the native Hawaiian rehabilitation fund, section 213 of the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act, 1920, for the purposes enumerated in that section. Thirty percent of the state receipts derived from the leasing of lands cultivated as sugarcane lands on the effective date of this section shall continue to be so transferred to the native Hawaiian rehabilitation fund whenever such lands are sold, developed, leased, utilized, transferred, set aside or otherwise disposed of for purposes other than the cultivation of sugarcane. There shall be no ceiling established for the aggregate amount transferred into the native Hawaiian rehabilitation fund. [Ren and am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978]

That's not tax dollars Dude, and that has nothing to do with you. It is none of your concern. Period.

And, btw, nowhere in the constitution (the constitution, Dude) does it limit the use of those funds, nor require any other accountability. It's money owed. And money the state government has been real bad at paying out. But to think it's tax dollars.. where'd you get that idea, Dude?