I don't know donors one guy over the other.. since nobody here has said anything about donations to either. How much have you donated? And, out in the wild.. I've seen nothing.
What I do know... from the limited exposure of hanging at the PW B&G... is that Tam has two followers with maybe a third fence sitter.. otherwise I don't see anyone standing up.. beside the two.. for the guy/gal/he/she or it. And with those two being the ones doing the standing I have to figure there's solid reasons why Tam would change his positions from those favoring the thinking of the wage earning tax paying majority HPP voters to the be-here-now crowd over on the southern flank. Although there's a problem with pleasing the anti crowd.. there just ain't a whole lot of them.
I like the interview Fiend posted.. though the interviewed missed one salient point.. geothermal can be done on all the islands. There's no reason to think we're dependent upon the three most recently active volcanoes for a heat source when all that is needed is super hot water.. not the extreme temps of an active volcano. I've posted extensively on the matter in other threads..
Thanks Obie for the eye opener.. that sure tracks with all the other 'feelings' folks get from Tam.
07-20-2026, 06:02 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2026, 06:40 PM by ironyak.)
Accuracy is not a requirement...
Well that's good as his Ilagan donor list analysis overlooks $4000 in contributions in that 2020-2025 time period from Russel Kuwaye, president of Puna Rock (which, last I checked, is still in Puna). Tam sure likes his slop - maybe should bother to check the output (whether from AI or his internal dialog) on occasion so as to not keep sticking his foot in his mouth? (geothermal in Hawai'i is different than Iceland because volcanoes, 90% of Hawai'i's energy comes through the Strait of Hormuz, etc, etc...)
07-20-2026, 06:18 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2026, 06:43 PM by Punatang.)
DF Posted: I came across this 6 year old interview of Henk Rogers by Hunt. Given the wording of his statements and questions here, Hunt has always been skeptical of geothermal and this man clearly did not move his opinion:
What??? Given the wording of his statements and questions??? Tam Hunt is the interviewer in this piece. It is the task of the interviewer to honestly divine the true beliefs and meanings of the interviewee. Good and honest interviewers use many techniques to do that. True, the news sources that most of the addled of mind consume these days are full of wall to wall interviewers who behave more like interviewees and spend the entire farce spouting their positions instead of seeking truth. The result is that modern Americans have, obviously, lost touch with how it is supposed to work, who really stands where, and how to think critically.
That interview proves zero about Tam other than he is good at eliciting the truth from the people he interviews. The only thing that interview makes clear is that Rogers, the person Tam interviews, sounds just like Linda Lingle. If we had just consistently followed her lead we would be on easy street by now and this thread would never have been posted.
(emphasassifications - mines)
ETA: Stop the presses! I found this video of Tam and am now reconsidering my position due to the new information:
"If we are too precise we will be called out because we cannot back it with data."- A.F.
(07-20-2026, 06:18 PM)Punatang Wrote: DF Posted: I came across this 6 year old interview of Henk Rogers by Hunt. Given the wording of his statements and questions here, Hunt has always been skeptical of geothermal and this man clearly did not move his opinion:
What??? Given the wording of his statements and questions??? Tam Hunt in the interviewer in this piece. It is the task of the interviewer to honestly divine the true beliefs and meanings of the interviewee. ..
Yeah, and he attempted to either put words in the mouth of Rogers or direct him away from geothermal on multiple occasions. But Rogers was having none of it, now was he?
Does wind power have a future in Hawaii, or do you think we should go mostly solar, because of reduced opposition to low-profile solar projects?
Geothermal is more complicated in Hawaii because of our active volcanoes
Given the difficulties with geothermal and biomass, do you see the Big Island’s energy future consisting of a large majority of solar, wind and battery storage..
07-20-2026, 06:53 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2026, 07:10 PM by Durian Fiend.)
(07-20-2026, 06:48 PM)Punatang Wrote: Sadly, you have proven my point.
Whatever that might be. Hunt didn't ask Rogers if Geothermal is more complicated on the Big Island than in Iceland, or ask if/why geothermal had "difficulties", he stated these as if they were axiomatic.
Tam has sued the Hawaii dept of Commerce because they need an AI safety policy and I suspect he has all the answers because his initial complaint is over 32 pages and I didn't bother down loading it.
This was part of it:
COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY JUDGMENT AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF COMPREHENSIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SAFETY REGULATION
This is a current case.
He has 2 against the Dept of Taxation and he even names names of the employees who didn't treat him nicely.
The initial complaint is 72 pages and too large to post here.
Both of those cases appear to have been abandoned by Tam after the judge in both cases posted this:
(07-19-2026, 02:12 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Question: when a candidate flip flops on his position, and a voter then adjusts their opinion of that candidate, is the voter staying true to their beliefs, or is it fair to describe that as a flip flop?
We're supposed to have a representative government. They are obligated to adjust their position to reflect the will of the people they represent, unless doing so would violate the Constitution, fundamental rights, or the rule of law, or unless their duty requires them to make a difficult decision they believe is ultimately in the people's best interest. This is where most people who get elected fail. They advance personal or corporate agendas instead, treating government service and money like a personal resource or entitlement instead of a civic duty. The obligation never gets fulfilled, but as long as they are accomplished liars on the campaign trail, they get reelected anyway.
When it comes to waffling, we have to look at it in context. Did they waffle on the campaign trail to get elected, and then immediately waffle back? Or did they really change their actions? In my recollection, it's only been the former. I'm sure the latter has happened, but its so rare I can't even think of a single instance.
07-20-2026, 07:11 PM (This post was last modified: 07-20-2026, 07:20 PM by MyManao.)
Hunt: Given the difficulties with geothermal..
This one baffles me. What difficulty? And since Jules seems to be both an expert in every topic.. geothermal, geologic processes, how DHHL should run their affairs, who is what is, and all things Tam.. I'll ask.. what difficulties is Tam referring to?
I mean, yeah, you gotta drill a hole, and if you don't know how, or don't have the wherewithal to drill a hole that could be difficult. And once in place, lined capped and all that, you gotta run some pipe over to a turbine and back to another hole. And again, if you don't know pipe, or turbines.. well you get the point.
So, Jules, what pray tell is so difficult as to preclude geothermal from our considerations?
ETA: Feel free to jump in brother 'Tang. I just addressed this to Jules because she's an exert in all things Tam.. sort of a whisperer I suppose.. but hey if you have some observations to add..
