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[Punatang]

Please post links providing your information that shows my comments are incorrect.

Typically the incorrect comments are regarding national politics with some thin connection to what Punaweb is supposed to be about.  They are typically extreme left leaning which is evidently welcomed by the bulk of the reporteratti and therefore flies under the radar of the powers that be.

In the past, my centrist/common sense attempts to counter such misinformation has typically caused the reporteratti to go into spasmodic overdrive, which just makes work for M2 and Rob and could cause finger injuries and keyboard damage.  

All too often, the posts and links you wish to see, are deleted or edited beyond the point of having any value.  As a result of all of this, one eventually learns to just dismiss all of the reporteratti pleasing misinformation and maintain the hope that the damage to the reality consensus is minimal.  

In this case, with HPPOA, you will note that I qualified with, "If you are correct M2C".  For all I know this could be one of the times you actually got it right.  You will have to challenge M2C to the debate you no doubt wish to have.  My point was just that M2C should not worry too much about wasted time.  

Have a great weekend.

[My 2 cents]

“In my time trying to locate the county surveyor, in speaking with multiple county officials, everyone of them told me HPPOA roads are private and the county has no authority or control over them.  They all told me I should discuss the matter directly with HPPOA.”

This is correct.  The roads are OUTSIDE of your property line.  The county, and not HPPOA has jurisdiction over what you do INSIDE of your property lines. 

HPPOA has absolutely no authority over anything you do within your property lines, including setbacks.  Nothing, period.

Please post a link to this information.

There is no such thing.  HPPOA is claiming that they have this authority.  It is up to them to provide proof of that authority.  The only “proof” that they can provide will be documents fabricated by them.  There is no statute or case law that supports this.  I suppose it’s possible that you signed an agreement with them when you bought your property.  If so, then that’s on you.  However, if you were told that you couldn’t purchase the property without signing that agreement, well, they have no foundation for this to be a  requirement. 

This all falls into the category of Deceptive Trade Practices, which is a class C felony.  When you ask them to provide their proof you should be sure to require a signature of the person or persons who are willing to stick their necks out.  They probably will because fighting them in court means you spend your money on it and they also spend your money on it.

Yes, it gets sticky and complicated.  Most folks will just roll over and comply, so it continues.  I’m just giving the information, I’m not telling anyone what they should or shouldn’t do.
My apologies if this turns into another dreaded HPP thread.  I think I’ve said my piece, and I hope I’m done.

Yeah, wasted time.

[Obie]

You kinda lost me here.
HPPOA, which is anyone who owns property in HPP, owns a small increment of the roads.
Building something in the right of way would be like me building my wall on your property.
Maybe a statue in your yard.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

There is no such thing.  HPPOA is claiming that they have this authority.  It is up to them to provide proof of that authority.

This is from Exhibit “A” in my deed, the same clause as everyone in HPP has in their deed.  Everyone who bought property in HPP will have this included in their purchase agreement.  There are also several subsections that specifically refer to easements etc for HELCO and Hawaiian Tel.

   


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[My 2 cents]

Maybe a law stating that planting or allowing to grow on your property, 

When I had some rock walls built, the crew insisted they could place one on the front of the property 6-7 feet from the roadway.  It was easier access for them and required less materials placing it there.  They assured me they’d built many walls that close to the road.  It didn’t seem right so I called the HPPOA office and they said they’d have me tear it down if I built there.

So no construction is allowed in the setback.  One would think planting or allowing another type of obstruction, trees, would be similarly classified.

I’ll add it to my list of finding out what is or is not allowed in the setback, what classification of obstruction is or is not enforced there, in HPP.

I think we have a misunderstanding in the terminology.  The setback is inside your property line.  The roadway is outside of your property line and reaches from your line to to your neighbor's across the street.  Where the gravel is laid or where the cars meander is irrelevant.  It would not be wise to build your wall within the roadway easement.

on the front of the property 6-7 feet from the roadway

Taken literally, this would be 6-7 feet inside of your property line, and you immediately went to

So no construction is allowed in the setback.

Which would confirm that location.  The clause in your deed gives HPP authority over the roads, not your property.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

your deed gives HPP authority over the roads, not your property.

HPPOA recently cut trees along Kaloli Drive from Beach Road to the highway.  20 feet from the edge of the roadway.  This is the area where you cannot build.  On side streets it is 10 feet.  They regularly mow the lawn along the roadway.  They place traffic signs not on the road but in the setback.

[My 2 cents]

The only line that is relevant in this discussion is your very fine and exact property line.

[ironyak]

Sounds like maybe some corner pins got lost when the lot was dozed. Might be worth having those re-surveyed and marked as it's clear from Obie that HPPOA can't be trusted to create a straight road, so the road edge and setback may vary in location and width. But as 2 cents is noting, that doesn't mean HPPOA gets to claim your property inside your property line for their road setback.

But hey, trees in the setback were cleared reducing possible threats to the ever fragile electrical grid and didn't even have to call in the feds or charge it to the ever expanding national debt - win win! (Next maybe they can do so without contributing to the CO2 debt load as well)

[Punatang]

Facts.

Setback Requirements for Residential & Agricultural Districts Do you know where your property lines are located? Is your house in the right spot? Is that new porch or deck encroaching? What can you extend into the setbacks?

https://records.hawaiicounty.gov/weblink...EV2019.pdf


   


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[Chas]

Our fence in HPP was over 6' high, only by several inches due to excavating for the posts. Ahole, busybody neighbors complained to county, hoping we would have to remove it. We were issued a violation notice. The solution? Gravel at bottom to bring the height back down to 6'. FU neighbors!