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Hello Mr. Wolf, won't you please sit down?
So far. As development and cutting of canopy in the lower subdivisions continues, the risk of disrupting the inversion that protects Hawaii and maintaining our rainfall increases.

People don't know that all you have to do is get a couple dozen miles east of Hilo and the rainfall is only 25 or so inches a year. The island makes its own rain.
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Speaking of the island making its own rain, JWFITZ, I just saw this research note...

Warmer oceans would fuel more thunderstorms -Satellite data reveal more thunderheads forming as tropical sea-surface temperatures rise.
By Sid Perkins
Science News
January 17th, 2009; Vol.175 #2 (p. 13)
at
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/...derstorms_

.. and it prompted me to wonder again about your earlier comments of 15NOV2008 (17:39:12, on page 6 of this thread) regarding relationships between ocean water surface temperature, rainfall, Kona & Hilo weather patterns, and so on.

I am hoping you will post more info or comment in reply to my question of 16NOV2008 (10:17:27) in this thread. I ask because I really do not know much of anything about such matters --beyond recognizing they are critically important-- and you seem to have a grasp on the oceanographic-local Big Island weather interface (or to at least have theories based in some knowledge and/or practical sailing experience).


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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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"There's a scientific reason to be concerned and there's a scientific reason to push for action. But there's no scientific reason to despair."

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Thanks, I'll look into it and do my best to offer a thoughtful response. It will take a little prep to do justice to the topic.

The background I have in meteorology comes from as study of historical sailing techniques, especially near shore techniques. All of my sailboats have been non-auxiliary craft and the level of knowledge and resolution one must possess to pilot a sailing craft in coastal or confined inland waters--without relying on an engine backup--is pretty daunting. The accomplishments of the sea captains in the golden age of sail and exploration border on the superhuman by modern standards. It is generally accounted that these men were very fine sailors. This is undoubtedly true, but more importantly they had an acute knowledge of weather, and weather especially on a very high resolution and local basis. This is an area of meteorology that has been very much neglected as the big picture models dominate. This isn't a problem, but I do feel that there are aspects to local weather that impact the meta-scale and are unduly overlooked.
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http://webdata.soc.hawaii.edu/climate/Ha...j_text.htm

Here is a good overview and a place to start.
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While Denmark is already producing electricity from windpower cheaper than electricity rates on the Big Island, it also looks like Spain is exploiting its natural advantage with regard to solar power to become a leader in this area of sustainable and non-polluting energy production. The Big Island receives much more sunlight per square meter, year round, than does Spain.

According to the article Something new under the sun by Joseph Romm at Grist online, complete with a nifty photo of the mirrors and tower at http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/1/...urce=daily , a solar farm now coming online "...will eventually generate up to 300MW of power, enough for the 700,000 people of Seville, by 2013." The article further notes "Concentrated solar power (CSP) technology, as it is known, is seen by many as a simpler, cheaper and more efficient way to harness the sun's energy than other methods such as photovoltaic (PV) panels."

Seems like a smaller version of this approach could be a commercially viable win on the Kona side, too, out amidst the sun-blasted lava flows.



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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Pres. John Adams, Scholar and Statesman


"There's a scientific reason to be concerned and there's a scientific reason to push for action. But there's no scientific reason to despair."

NASA climate analyst Gavin Schmidt

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Speaking of Spain, a Spanish town hit by economic problems a long way back took this route and it is an interesting read, might be part of everyones future. Who knows, just an idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondrag%C3%...orporation

Thanks for the links AKS life is so interesting when it isn't terrifying! Isn't a forum like this rather like talking over the back fence with neighbors? That was always how I felt about it.

mella l
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Art and Science
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Hawai'i's Largest Solar Power System
http://www.island-trust.com/hawai-i-s-la...ystem.html

Will Supply 30 Percent of Lana'i's Peak Electricity Demand



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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

Pres. John Adams, Scholar and Statesman


"There's a scientific reason to be concerned and there's a scientific reason to push for action. But there's no scientific reason to despair."

NASA climate analyst Gavin Schmidt

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If I am reading this map correctly then it looks like the 2008 average ocean surface temperature was down 0.2 degrees C to 0.6 degrees C around the vicinity of the Big Island.

2008 Global Temperature

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36699

Any notions how this relates to Puna-side and Kona-side weather and rainfall, if indeed such is significant at all?


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Latest images from the Jason satellite
http://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/science/jason1-quick-look/

Notice variations around Hawaii, below the historical mean. I am still unclear, however, what significance this holds for Puna and Kona weather, rainfall, and the likelihood of a hurricane (or is it typhoon in the Pacific?) making landfall in the islands.


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Nobody Knows How Dry We Are

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175035/n...dry_we_are

No, the Puna connection is not the dry Martini's and wet Mai Tai's down at the Tiki Lounge, but rather all the sweet fresh water Puna is likely to continue to enjoy even as other places are drying out and burning up. This in turn, I suggest, may have a large impact on both Puna real estate prices and demographics as modern Hisatsinom-Anasazi the world over are forced to a realization "where there is water, there is life" ...the converse holding equally true.


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