Vaccinated People Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

[AaronM]

Stay safe!

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus...k-guidance


When revising its mask guidance this week to urge even vaccinated people to wear masks indoors in much of the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was criticized for not citing data in making that move.
Now it has — and the data is sobering.
The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.
It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Vaccinated or unvaccinated, we can still control our risk to some degree.  Wear a mask in public, keep washing your hands, stay away from crowded indoor spaces.  Those efforts can provide a greater degree of safety. 

Or don’t - - and believe you’ll be fine. 
You may find the virus doesn’t care what you believe.  Nowhere near as much as your Facebook friends, the AI algorithm that tracks your curated news feed, or political leaders you follow.  The virus, any virus doesn't care one bit about what you believe. 

The Puna area feels relatively safe to me now, with only moderate precautions required.  We're fortunate we live here.

[MyManao]

The Puna area feels relatively safe to me now, with only moderate precautions required.  We're fortunate we live here.

And yet, with the percentage of the population vaccinated still lagging, and in some areas dramatically behind the state average, and cases surging, I'd say it's still a war zone out there.

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdis...in-hawaii/

I find it interesting how, on island, vaccination rates overlay so neatly with Lava Zones

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

I'd say it's still a war zone out there.

What protections would you suggest other than, or in addition to what I suggested?  Gas masks?  Lava tube virus shelter?

[MyManao]

What protections would you suggest? 

I haven't the foggiest, I'm just pointing out the need for continued vigilance. I agree with the sense of things being ok, because I live isolated, and the things I do in my quest for gold are done electronically, and I am vaccinated. But my trust in the vaccines was the same as the initial efficacy predictions. Even then I didn't like the idea of being one of the 5 out of 100 that could still be screwed. And now with the Delta variant suggesting that covid will overcome the vaccines entirely..

All I was doing was pointing out that Puna, statistically, if all other things are equal, has a higher rate of infected people running around than elsewhere. And, note, I am making that broad conclusion based on the low vaccination rates. Which, when added to the transmissibility of the Delta variant makes Puna, imo, a dangerous place, especially for the unvaccinated.

They say if people are not vaccinated it can be assumed they will catch the Delta variant. It's that infectious. Period. With a less than 35% vaccination rate in parts of Puna that is a lot of people who are, right now, getting infected. As I said, I think it's a war zone out there. The humbug, the real humbug, because for the unvaxx'd their suffering is self inflected, is the fact a lot of innocent children are in the lurch, and this is a massive breeding ground for more variants.

Yeah, what protections? 'tis a shame lamb's blood won't work this time, isn't it?

[AaronM]

I wasn't aware that vaccination rates are available by Puna neighborhood. Would you share your source for that data so that we may know which part of Puna has a "Less than 35% vaccination rate"?

[kalakoa]

vaccination rates are available by Puna neighborhood

State has been very careful not to publish any statistics with finer granularity than zipcode or business type ("a place of worship"). Avoiding embarrassment for neighborhoods or businesses is far more important than informing the public to prevent "community spread". (We're also supposed to believe that 25-30K tourists/day has nothing to do with infection rates.)

[MyManao]

I wasn't aware that vaccination rates are available by Puna neighborhood.  Would you share your source for that data so that we may know which part of Puna has a "Less than 35% vaccination rate"?

A map view of Hawaii County Vaccination Rates By zip code..

https://public.tableau.com/shared/PPFRQM...VizHome=no

Which is from the state virus stats...

https://health.hawaii.gov/coronavirusdis...in-hawaii/

[AaronM]

First, those are zip codes and not neighborhoods. Second, most of the Puna zip codes are around 35%. Maybe just avoid Puna altogether to be safe, or not - YMMV.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Maybe just avoid Puna altogether to be safe

In my Puna neighborhood, everyone I know is vaccinated.  You don’t need a state COVID map to talk with your neighbors.  You don’t need a state COVID map to guess that a non social distancing drum circle or a tightly packed maskless church congregation may become known as a cluster.