(10-27-2021, 07:17 AM)Rob Tucker Wrote: (10-27-2021, 05:46 AM)malahini Wrote: "Those who don't exercise their rights, lose them."
I will merely comment that viruses and little things like climate change have nothing to do with anyone's rights. It is my opinion that capitalism and the free market system are completely ill equipped to deal with the hard issues coming at us. This is not ending, it is just barely beginning. These actually are the good old days.
Lol. So what's your solution then?
Even green energy technology relies on the market to be developed... and well brought to market.
Tax incentives are why I had solar energy installed. The most effective policy tools all rely on using the market in the end. They merely make the technology more attractive through things like tax rebates. Electricity being so expensive here also creates a market incentive to not use power off of the grid if you can find a cheaper source.
You also don't even have to be a capitalist to believe that people have rights. There are a lot of people on the very far left who think the Covid restrictions in many places are beyond the pale. That and mandates as well.
As for rights there are two different arguments here. The justification behind restrictions and mandates are just that they would protect the rights of those who wish to be protected. At this point I don't believe this position can be reasonably defended.
I simply believe that those who are at higher risk of having severe complications as a result of the aforementioned virus need to take some responsibility for themselves, especially at this point in time.
As I've mentioned before. At some point people will have to make decisions for themselves based on their own level of comfort given their personal risk profile.
Ever hear of a cost-benefit analysis before?
In the end, why are you so interested in twisting someone's arm just to protect them from themselves? Sure being vaccinated almost certainly does reduce the level of viral replication in the population. However, it seems that it does not really do much to slow the spread within a population, or that's what it seems with the latest data coming out of places like Israel and Singapore, both with extremely high vaccination rates.
The debate is also very much still open in regards to how effective various government policies have been. I would not doubt that many did indeed slow down the spread of the virus. The question is, were they worth it given all of their side effects, not just the economic side effects, but the long term health effects on those who were never at much risk anyway.
We can't really know until the dust settles and we have a lot of good studies to rely on. Maybe I will be vindicated, maybe not.
I'm sure though, that you won't actually engage me in any sort of real debate here though. You'll just continue to recite meaningless platitudes about how the free market or whatever isn't a 100% bulletproof solution to every issue that faces mankind, and then give yourself a hearty pat on the back.
That or someone else will reply and say something about how hospitalizations and death rates are higher in 'x' place with less restrictions. Which well, completely ignores what I'm saying.
Sorry if I'm a dick or w/e.
