Vaccines urged as Hawaii confirms second measles case

[Punatang]

Dude read the thread. I've been talking about the same Doctor for pages now. It's hard having an intelligent conversation and fending off all of the nonsense when you can't even read the thread.  No wonder you sound so obtuse.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

when you can't even read the thread.

Are you talking about the minister baby heart doctor? Because without using his name in your later comment I can’t know for certain you’re referring to him, or someone you would prefer not to identify. I can read words, but generally not minds.

[Punatang]

No, I m not talking about a "baby heart Doctor"  that is your very disrespectful term.  Please keep doing that though as it's a window into your heart and you can't imagine how helpful it is.  Carry on.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

very disrespectful term.

I’ve been to parties with brain surgeons.  If you think baby heart doctor is disrespectful, may I suggest you never step into a casual not-at-work conversation between 2 or more brain surgeons.

By the way, I still don’t know which doctor you referred to, or exactly what his/her recommendations are.  I mentioned this in a previous message above, and explained why I didn’t understand, but you didn’t clarify.  It’s fine if you don’t want to.

[MyManao]

Like MyMan says, "to each his own."

You know, P’tang, maybe I should add the qualifiers..

So, Edge says.. 'is some guy on the internet..' which got me to thinking..

One guy does this or that could be nothing. I mean, come one, it’s just one guy. But then one guy could be the whole shootin' match.. if that one guy is patient zero with the meanest baddest you get it and it's gonna kill you da kine and he goes off doing whatever.. no matter he's gonna come in contact with and they gonna get it and give it and around the world it's going to go.. ashes ashes all fall down.

And then, ironyak points out - 'One could always learn some math and science so they could understand why tens of thousands of doctors and medical professionals with decades of experience all agree on the benefits of vaccination.'

And, ya know, I am all for everyone learning more science and math, but honestly, they could go the distance on faith alone as far as I am concerned. The faithful just need to broaden the scope of the things they have faith in to include the wisdom of those that know more than they do.

But, no matter, the only way we've gotten to where we are is through our collective well being. We can go on, you get yours and I mine, and yet it's the fact that we can co-exist without each being a biological threat to the other that gives us the freedom to achieve as much as we do. On the basest of levels so much of what we do, what we have achieved, is because we are a vaccinated society. 

And now, instead of that being embraced universally (considerably higher than 90%), one of the wonders of the internet is now we have hordes of people that think they know better than the people that actually know something. Anything. Give these jokers an issue, the worth of a book or the effectiveness of medicine, it doesn't matter they know better. And they, many of them, seem to need to prove it by being the one that shouts the loudest. Don't you dare teach my child blah blah blah.. and I'll be damned if I will let them put that poison in my kid's arm! And here we go.. this is.. this is literally the very root of a society’s downfall. I am serious. If we can’t be healthy together we’re up the preverbal creak..

Like it or not, it really doesn’t matter, every kid, unless there is a serious underlying health issue with a particular individual, should be fully vaccinated before they get through the preschool’s front door. Period. As it is now, with this idea that a person's beliefs, the internet moron that says they know better so yeah they claim a ‘religious’ exemption, should be discontinued. 

And yes, the fact that Pahoa has a higher incidence of noncompliance is an embarrassment, and proof of what everyone knows.. it’s the demographics.. the education and financial level of the parents that create the children.. that insist they know better.

And folks wonder why the state no like put money into the development of the district.

[Punatang]

And yes, the fact that Pahoa has a higher incidence of noncompliance is an embarrassment

It's probably due to all of the MAGA influence here.  

   

[TomK]

Like MyMan says, "to each his own."

And, ya know, I am all for everyone learning more science and math, but honestly, they could go the distance on faith alone as far as I am concerned. The faithful just need to broaden the scope of the things they have faith in to include the wisdom of those that know more than they do.

But you have a hissy fit whenever someone points out science and math in response to your posts, and now you're saying they can go on faith alone. I doubt that's what you meant, but please sort out your thoughts!

"Magic mountains", for instance.

[leilanidude]

And yes, the fact that Pahoa has a higher incidence of noncompliance is an embarrassment

It's probably due to all of the MAGA influence here.  

Not a chance. The vast majority of Puna school children are (not in order of per magnitude)
Hawaiian
Polynesian
Micronesian
Japanese
Filipino
These folks vote pure Democrat, keeping the state and County in a continual quagmire.

[Punatang]

And yes, the fact that Pahoa has a higher incidence of noncompliance is an embarrassment

It's probably due to all of the MAGA influence here.  

Not a chance. The vast majority of Puna school children are (not in order of per magnitude)
Hawaiian
Polynesian
Micronesian
Japanese
Filipino
These folks vote pure Democrat, keeping the state and County in a continual quagmire.

Wait just one darn minute Sir!  Are you honestly trying to convince us that The Sacred Pahoa Roundabout Church of Dancing Anti-Vaxxers and Pandemic Deniers are all Kamala (Biden prior to the coup d'etat) voters?

[ironyak]

Punatang - We aren't anti-vax.
In a thread about low vaccination rates for measles you post support for a vaccine skeptic and then complain when people see you as promoting vaccine skepticism? As the kids like to say, if not vaccine skeptic then why vaccine-skeptic shaped?

Punatang - No shopping required.  No internet required. I also had no opinion or bias that needed confirmation.
But you are shopping as you're buying what this fringe opinion is selling as opposed to acquiring knowledge from the broad medical consensus. His beliefs are fringe enough that many people including Governor Green, who "said that as a physician he has serious concerns about Milhoan’s promotion of the drugs [Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine] to treat COVID-19", called for his medical license to be reviewed.

MyManao - And then, ironyak points out - 'One could always learn some math and science ...' I am all for everyone learning more science and math, but honestly, they could go the distance on faith alone as far as I am concerned. The faithful just need to broaden the scope of the things they have faith in to include the wisdom of those that know more than they do.
Yeah, there are a lot of benefits to be had by listening to expertise - I just like to include learning some of the basics as an option so one can better understand that wisdom and avoid simply deferring to authority, especially when institutions may be captured like with brain-worm Bobbie. You know, allow people to have some direct access to the knowledge instead of having to rely on biased individuals to interpret everything for them. Maybe have to nail some of these ideas to a door at some point. ;)

Not sure why someone would trust the medical judgement of a Maui Pastor that held unmasked, non-distanced, in-person services during the height of a global pandemic of a respiratory virus - maybe they're not anti-vax, just pro-virus? Helping even the smallest of God's creatures to flourish while hastening others onto the glorious hereafter? While God might work in mysterious ways, Darwinism is a bit more simple and direct.