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02-26-2025, 02:40 AM
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The state is rolling out a test program to use digital agriculture forms when we fly into Hawaii. If successful it will replace the old paper forms. I think the question all of us are asking, in addition to declaring fruit, vegetables, or critters, will there be a space for robot grown products? To really bring us into the 21st century?
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(02-26-2025, 02:40 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: The state is rolling out a test program to use digital agriculture forms when we fly into Hawaii. If successful it will replace the old paper forms. I think the question all of us are asking, in addition to declaring fruit, vegetables, or critters, will there be a space for robot grown products? To really bring us into the 21st century?
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"So the form works, right. It's to what level is it effective."
Is that a question? If so, the answer is not at all. At least, in and of itself.
Just think of the numerous pests that have been introduced in the past few decades while this program has been in place. Coqui, fire ants, rhinoceros beetle, avocado lace bug, the list goes on. Of course, none of these were likely brought here via the passenger compartment of commercial jets.
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The entire program is ineffective. By the time someone actually looks over the forms, the person has gone to their hotel, gone home, etc. At this point it is nothing but a waste of money. I never gave a real name or address anyway as I am sure that the visitor bureau is using it to glean email addresses for marketing Hawaii.
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Of course, none of these were likely brought here via the passenger compartment of commercial jets.
Most of the pests you mentioned were imported by commercial flower growers, bringing in new varieties of tropical plants. USDA received early warnings about both coqui and fire ants but did nearly nothing. Maybe they were too busy mimeographing forms for passengers on jets.
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(02-28-2025, 11:58 PM)leilanidude Wrote: The entire program is ineffective. By the time someone actually looks over the forms, the person has gone to their hotel, gone home, etc. At this point it is nothing but a waste of money. I never gave a real name or address anyway as I am sure that the visitor bureau is using it to glean email addresses for marketing Hawaii.
So, you knowingly violated Hawaii State Law, namely Chapter 150A of the Hawaii Revised Statutes which clearly states on the form…
- “Any person who defaces this declaration form, gives false information, or fails to declare, prohibited or restricted articles in their possession, including baggage, or fails to declare these items on cargo manifests is in violation of Chapter 150A, Hawaii Revised Statutes, and may be guilty of a misdemeanor punishable, in certain instances, by a maximum penalty of $25,000 and/or up to one year imprisonment. Intentionally smuggling a snake or other prohibited or restricted article into Hawai‘i is, in certain circumstances, a Class C felony punishable by a maximum penalty of $200,000 and/or up to five years imprisonment.”
… in the form of a protest? Your opinion of how this all works? Is that really sound judgement? And any email address inclusion was purely optional.
OK then, I guess.
(03-01-2025, 12:04 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Of course, none of these were likely brought here via the passenger compartment of commercial jets.
Most of the pests you mentioned were imported by commercial flower growers, bringing in new varieties of tropical plants. USDA received early warnings about both coqui and fire ants but did nearly nothing. Maybe they were too busy mimeographing forms for passengers on jets.
Reminds me back in the late 90’s before any of us really heard about the coqui frog, while at the then almost brand new WalMart and hearing a rather loud distinctive singular coqui frog “chirp.” And then several other shoppers all noticing that “chirp.” But nonetheless, here came the WalMart maintenance man with his giant step ladder looking for that “chirping” smoke detector and assuring all of us shoppers not to worry.
I now wish it was a "chirping" smoke detector.
Oh, and HOTPE, the mimeograph comments reminded me of the Animal House scene, when Bluto find the “stencil” of the final test in the trash dumpster!
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(02-28-2025, 11:58 PM)leilanidude Wrote: The entire program is ineffective. By the time someone actually looks over the forms, the person has gone to their hotel, gone home, etc. At this point it is nothing but a waste of money. I never gave a real name or address anyway as I am sure that the visitor bureau is using it to glean email addresses for marketing Hawaii.
I can only say that if the digital ag form works out, you'll have a more challenging time breaking the law.
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(03-01-2025, 10:51 AM)TomK Wrote: (02-28-2025, 11:58 PM)leilanidude Wrote: The entire program is ineffective. By the time someone actually looks over the forms, the person has gone to their hotel, gone home, etc. At this point it is nothing but a waste of money. I never gave a real name or address anyway as I am sure that the visitor bureau is using it to glean email addresses for marketing Hawaii.
I can only say that if the digital ag form works out, you'll have a more challenging time breaking the law.
I suspect they will have no way of knowing if you filled it in or not. I have been on flights where people have turned in blank sheets to the flight attendant, who didn't look at them anyway.
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03-02-2025, 07:04 AM
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(03-01-2025, 02:23 PM)leilanidude Wrote: I suspect they will have no way of knowing if you filled it in or not. I have been on flights where people have turned in blank sheets to the flight attendant, who didn't look at them anyway.
It's not the cabin crew that has to look at the forms. I'm also curious about how you know people turned in blank forms. Were you looking over their shoulder or something?
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03-02-2025, 07:19 AM
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I wrote about this trip I had to make several years ago on a prior thread that you can read about it here but when I was greeted by the "authorities" at the bottom of the truck stairs, they already had my Declaration Form in hand.
I was the 3rd or 4th person off the plane that trip.
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(03-02-2025, 07:19 AM)HiloJulie Wrote: I wrote about this trip I had to make several years ago on a prior thread that you can read about it here but when I was greeted by the "authorities" at the bottom of the truck stairs, they already had my Declaration Form in hand.
I was the 3rd or 4th person off the plane that trip.
Nonsense. The stack of forms is walked to the AG department office and there is no way that someone from there went thru 225+ forms to find yours, then walked it over to the supposed folks who stopped you as you were getting off the plane.
You have zero credibility and have yet again, gone back to vile posts and in general, disrupting every single thread. I'll await yet another vile post from you in your response.
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