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Hawaii Ground Zero
#11
The source PLOS article, referenced in the "collective-evolution" link, study states that DNA fragments from plants can be found floating free in blood plasma. They mention the bean, cabbage, tomato and grass (e.g. wheat) families. Which means that any part of the DNA of everyday vegetables we eat can potentially show up in blood samples. Which then means that we humans have been dealing with plant (or, one supposes, animal) DNA in our blood streams essentially forever. They are simply part of our internal landscape.

There was no analysis in the "collective-evolution" article of how, even if they were present, bits of GM DNA in a fragment, consisting of a single gene or two, made of exactly the same base pair molecules as any other gene, would behave any differently than the thousands of biologically active genes of the original plants.

The academic PLOS study doesn't mention GMO other than to note that articles focused on GMO issues have been interested in blood plasma DNA. Looking at one of those references noted, an article discussed finding a cauliflower mosaic virus in the blood of fish fed a GM diet versus a non-GM fish food. As one problematic issue, there was no mention in the abstract about checking whether the source fish foods differed in their virus contamination.

The connection to GMO's is entirely made up. There was no claim in the PLOS article that the the bloodstream DNA fragments they found affected health. More bloodstream DNA was found in persons with certain illnesses. There was no claim that GM DNA fragments were discovered (they looked at chloroplast DNA).

The PLOS authors conclude:
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The analysis of all the publicly available circulating cell-free DNA sequencing data of over 1000 human subjects confirms our hypothesis that the presence of foreign DNA in human plasma is not unusual. It shows large variation from subject to subject following strikingly well a log-normal distribution with the highest concentration in patients with inflammation

Another example of anti-GMO proselytizers claiming scientific (and less-than-scientific) results as supporting their position without ever demonstrating how their position is actually supported. Probably because, other than ginning up unsupported fear, they can't.
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#12
"Another example of anti-GMO proselytizers claiming scientific (and less-than-scientific) results as supporting their position without ever demonstrating how their position is actually supported. Probably because, other than ginning up unsupported fear, they can't".

Opihikaobob says : another example of picking and choosing from an article, extracts that avoid the salient points made in the article.

I think readers would benefit from a continued reading at the link which was a reference to a Peer reviewed journal named Public Library of Science or PLOS, which is an open access, well respected peer-reviewed scientific journal that covers primary research from disciplines within science and medicine. It’s great to see this study published in it, confirming what many have been suspecting for years. [so the full article is reproduced below, and it is stated that these are the words written from other than PLOS,that being said their relevance to the gmo debate stands on already established science ,ie the salient points].
When it comes to genetically modified crops and foods, we really have no idea of what the long term effects will be on the public. The very first commercial sale of genetically modified foods was only twenty years ago in the year 1994. There is no possible way that our health authorities can test all possible combinations on a large enough population, over a long enough period of time to be able to say with certainty that they are harmless. Geneticist David Suzuki recently expressed his concern, saying that human beings are part of a “massive genetic experiment” over many years, as thousands of people continue to consume GMO’s, and it makes sense.

Advances in genome science over the past few years have revealed that organisms can share their genes. Prior to this, it had been thought that genes were shared only between individual members of a species through reproduction. Geneticists usually followed the inheritance of genes in what they would call a ‘vertical’ fashion, such as breeding a male and female -you follow their offspring and continue down the road from there. Today, scientists recognize that genes are shared not only among the individual members of a species, but also among members of different species.

“Our bloodstream is considered to be an environment well separated from the outside world and the digestive tract. According to the standard paradigm large macromolecules consumed with food cannot pass directly to the circulatory system. During digestion proteins and DNA are thought to be degraded into small constituents, amino acids and nucleic acids, respectively, and then absorbed by a complex active process and distributed to various parts of the body through the circulation system. Here, based on the analysis of over 1000 human samples from four independent studies, we report evidence that meal-derived DNA fragments which are large enough to carry complete genes can avoid degradation and through an unknown mechanism enter the human circulation system. In one of the blood samples the relative concentration of plant DNA is higher than the human DNA. The plant DNA concentration shows a surprisingly precise log-normal distribution in the plasma samples while non-plasma (cord blood) control sample was found to be free of plant DNA.” (0)

It’s not like a human being mates with an apple, banana or a carrot plant and exchanges genes, What biotechnology and biotech corporations like Monsanto have done,is they have allowed for the transfer of genes from one to the other without any regard for the biological limitations, or constraints. The problem with this is that it is based on very bad science. The conditions and biological ‘rules’ that apply to vertical gene transfer, at least those that we are aware of, do not necessarily apply to horizontal gene transfer. Biotech science today is based on the assumption that the principles governing the inheritance of genes are the same when we move genes horizontally as they are when they are moved vertically. It just goes to show that GMO’s should be subjected to much more experimentation and rigorous research before we continue to consume them.

How can our governing health authorities approve these as safe? It’s almost as if they told us they were safe, and we just believed them without questioning it. We seem to be a very gullible race, but things are changing and more are starting to question the world around them.

“One small mutation in a human being can determine so much, the point is when you move a gene, one gene, one tiny gene out of an organism into a different one you completely change its context. There is no way to predict how it’s going to behave and what the outcome will be. We think that we design these life forms, but it’s like taking the Toronto orchestra prepared to play a Beethoven symphony and then you take some random drummers from “here” and flip them in with the Toronto symphony and you say play music. What comes out is going to be something very very different. Publicists say that there is good intention behind GMOs, but the fact of the matter is it’s driven by money.” – David Suzuki

I personally believe the intentions go beyond money, but that’s another story.

It’s also pretty clear that DNA from food can and does end up in animal tissues and the milk products that people eat. (4)(5)

There are studies that show when humans or animals digest genetically modified foods, the artificially created genes transfer into and alter the character of the beneficial bacteria in the intestine. Researchers report that microbes found in the small bowel of people with ilestomy are capable of acquiring and harboring DNA sequences from GM plants.(1) Genetically modified crops have infiltrated animal feed since 1996, and it’s normal for them to have a complete GM diet. Studies have linked GMO animal feed to severe stomach inflammation and enlarged uteri in pigs.

It’s also important to note that gene transfer among genetically engineered agricultural crops and surrounding native species has given rise to a highly resistant species called super weeds. According to the world health organization, gene transfer and the movement of genes from GM plants into conventional crops or related species may have an effect on food safety and food security. “This risk is real, as was shown when traces of maize type which was only approved for feed use appeared in maize products from human consumption in the United States.” (3)

The truth is, genetic engineers have never taken the reality of gene transfer into consideration when they produce these things and introduce them into the environment. As a result, we are now starting to see the consequences of genes that are engineered, particularly how they spread and alter other organisms in various environments. Watrud et al (2004) found that the herbicide-resistance transgene spread via pollen to an area up to 21 km beyond the control area perimeter and had pollinated wild creeping bentgrass.(2)

Prior to this year, governments concluded that transfer of DNA from GM crops/foods is unlikely to occur. Now we can see that they are wrong, or perhaps they had knowledge of this already? Regardless of the fact that DNA from GM foods can be transferred to humans and animals, very little is still known today and what is known does not look good. There are studies linking GMO’s and pesticides to various ailments. We’ve presented and written about them on our website numerous times, this is another article to add to the growing amount of evidence to suggest we need to halt the production of GMO’s until we conclusively know that they are safe for human consumption.

It’s not a mystery why most countries around the world have completely banned GMO’s.

SOURCES:

(0) http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ado...ne.0069805

(1) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14730317

(2) http://natureinstitute.org/nontarget/rep...ss_001.php

(3) http://www.who.int/foodsafety/publicatio...stions/en/

(4) http://www.food.gov.uk/policy-advice/gm/...sxuFPbXFGH

http://www.mindfully.org/GE/2004/Transge...1feb04.htm

Lipton, H Bruce, The Biology of Belief. United States: Hay House INC. 2006
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#13
If DNA from a GMO plant can make it into the bloodstream, then DNA from organic plants does it as well. We won't talk about how your little green weed you smoke daily gets into your bloodstream and causes DNA breakdowns on its own (cause that has been well documented).
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#14
[quote]Originally posted by leilanidude

If DNA from a GMO plant can make it into the bloodstream, then DNA from organic plants does it as well. We won't talk about how your little green weed you smoke daily gets into your bloodstream and causes DNA breakdowns on its own (cause that has been well documented).
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You should stick with the truth , ie the article posted, as well as what you know are facts. Otherwise you come across as an unhappy person who doesn't like to see the truth talked about .
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#15
Coming soon to your nearest Hawaiian Island?
Genetically modified ‘super banana’ to be tested on Americans
The project was created by Queensland University of Technology (QUT) in Australia and supported by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles..._21786.cfm

EXTRACT:
"The Foundation's direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels," said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering. "First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests."

"Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well being of small farmers around the world... [This] casts serious doubt on the foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa."
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#16
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Originally posted by Opihikaobob

EXTRACT:
"The Foundation's direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels," said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering. "First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests."



Yeah, you're probably right - let'em starve, not my problem... really too busy obsessing on whether a microscopic change in the gazillion genetic base pairs I take into my body as my daily diet might possibly impact the purity of my "body temple"....
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#17
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Originally posted by geochem

quote:
Originally posted by Opihikaobob

EXTRACT:
"The Foundation's direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels," said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering. "First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests."



Yeah, you're probably right - let'em starve, not my problem... really too busy obsessing on whether a microscopic change in the gazillion genetic base pairs I take into my body as my daily diet might possibly impact the purity of my "body temple"....

Monsanto sucks & most real people know it.
Also farmers in India are killing themselves as a result of M's actions - tough choice for them, too bad they see it as the only choice.
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#18
Aren't the anti-GMO people nervous about finding people like O'Bob on their side?
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#19
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Originally posted by Opihikaobob

Monsanto sucks & most real people know it.
Also farmers in India are killing themselves as a result of M's actions - tough choice for them, too bad they see it as the only choice.


More false info from opihikaobob!

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/01/26/...-suicides/

"But in 2008, the International Food Policy Research Institute, an alliance of 64 governments, private foundations, and international and regional organizations that aims to end hunger in the developing world, reached an entirely different conclusion.

“It is not only inaccurate, but simply wrong to blame the use of Bt cotton as the primary cause of farmer suicides in India,” said the report, stating that the introduction of Bt cotton in India had actually been effective in producing higher yields and decreasing pesticide usage by nearly 40%."

"The number of farmer deaths in India is much less than the general population. According to the report, the rate of suicide deaths among agricultural workers is around seven deaths per 100,000 people, whereas the overall suicide rate in India is close to 15 deaths per 100,000."

"And while the number of farm suicides rose sharply between 1995 and 2002, the trend of late has been downward or flat."

“In fact, our study found that the numbers of deaths of men in occupations other than farming was twice as great, meaning there were more deaths in clerical occupations, students, and other occupations than in agricultural work,” he said.


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#20
Truth is readily attacked by moneyed interests ,the so called "golden rule". Every real person knows that.
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