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Big Island to lose 4 more surgeons!
#21
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Originally posted by Beachboy

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Originally posted by hpp4me

The problem will not be solved until Hawaii passes tort reform to get rid of the frivolous lawsuits. I like the "loser pays" approach. That would prevent people from suing to extort money. We know the game. Make them cough up $50,000 rather than pay $150,000 in legal fees. If the loser had to pay back that $150,000 they would not sue.


I don't think that's a problem here in Hawaii. Some years back while at Daiei Store in Kaheaka St., I meet a wheelchair bound individual. After talking briefly about this person's injury/handicap I quickly said to her..." you sued didn't you?" Her reply came back as quick as the questioned rolled off my lips, "You're joking right?" she said. Upon further conversation I found out that this person became handicapped because of a negligent Doctor at Queens Hospital. You think it would be a cut & dry case of malpractice. You just can't get another doctor in the state of Hawaii to testify against another member of the chapter of the AMA Hawaii medical association! They have an unwritten rule to never testify against another doctor in the state...

The problems with doctors here is at epic purportion. Even half the ones at clinics aren't even Doctors too, they are what are referred to as PA's,' Physicians Aids'. Glamour up nurse if you ask me. Actually I found the physicians at Bay Clinic not very compentent



The problem isn't bad docs. If that was truly the case, then no one would be sad to see these 4 doctors leave. Did you not read that article? 85% of malpractice cases are dismissed, at a cost of $150k to the doctor or their insurance. Meaning there was no evidence of any malpractice.

These aren't criminal cases, these are civil cases where the evidence against the defendant does not have to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. You only have to prove that the doctor intentionally or maliciously performed an act that was detrimental or didn't provide the same basic care or act that is expected by the profession in the area and is defined in the scope of practice in the state. Fairly broad and easily left to interpretation.

You are also wrong that you can't find doctors willing to testify against other doctors. There are doctors that make a living doing just that. They get paid to be expert witnesses for the plaintiff and will review the doctors files and give his opinion on whether the doctor did anything wrong. In a civil case a plaintiff can call multiple expert witnesses to support their claim, and they usually do call at least 2-3.

The reason doctors leave is simple economics. I have to pay for an office, employees (their health benefits) and supplies. I then have to pay for my cost of living. To do so i have to see X number of patients to meet my demands at X amount of dollars I get from each visit by the insurance company. If the insurance companies lowers their reimbursement (which is happening everywhere, while premiums go up... do the math.. who wins?) then I have to see even more patients to meet my demands. Eventually it gets to the point where you have waiting lists because other docs can't make it and give up and you pick up the load.

It becomes too much. You are overworked and underpaid. Why not go elsewhere and make more money for less work and less stress??? Who wouldn't do that?

I think the only reason these docs didn't leave sooner is a sense of obligation to their patients or love for the island. But when it comes down to it.... doctors are small business owners that have to make a living.
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#22
from my family's experience I disagree about the testimony. My grandson was born severely prematurely due to some gross incompetence that put my DIL from a normal pregnancy to a medivac after an office visit.

When the baby was born, Kapiolani performed another procedure negligently that left him with hydrocephalus and cerebral palsy.

The parents are left with a special needs child and all the costs that entails.

There should have been a lawsuit so that this child could have had his needs met for life, but as was said, no doctor could be found by the attorney who would testify.

I was told by an excellent attorney, that the insurance companies in Hawai'i will not make a settlement and will instead play the litigation costs game (reminds me of the tobacco companies). Hundreds of thousands on defense and offense, going to attorneys and not the injured.

I met a local woman here whose best was in a similar situation with Kapiolani and her child left with such severe CP that he had to be in bed and receive 24 hour care. No one would talk about it. Years later, one of the nurses involved in the surgery left her job and came forward to the family about the botched care, and they were able to sue and get a settlement for the child so that his mother could have a life again.

From these stories, sounds to me like a professional expert witness isn't enough.
I suppose if it's a no brainer like a screwdriver sewed into someone's insides ...

It always surprises me how quick people are to say that most personal injury lawsuits are frivolous. People get hurt because of other people's incompetence and then they spend their lives altered, in pain, etc.. Anyone who thinks it's easy for an average person to bring a lawsuit hasn't been around the process.

The amount of people I know who've gotten settlements for a big huhu about nothing would be zero. People I know whose lives were changed and are now broke and in chronic pain -- several.
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#23
Kathy has hit on a great point.
In order to win a medical malpractice case, you need competent medical testimony that the actions of the doctor was outside established practice. The insurance companies have absolutely NO problem getting LOCAL doctors to testify that the other LOCAL doctors didn't do anything wrong. Why shouldn't they? After all the doctor testifying in favor of their friend may need that doctor to support them in a malpractice suit someday.
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You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours.
What goes around comes around.
Don’t need a brain surgeon to figure this out!

As for the injured party, they rely primarily on experts outside the community and the attorneys representing the doctor and insurance company always make them look like paid money grubbing hired hands.

So, until the medical community stops covering for bad and incompetent doctors, I say sue them and keep on suing them.
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#24
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Originally posted by Beachboy

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Originally posted by hpp4me

The problem will not be solved until Hawaii passes tort reform to get rid of the frivolous lawsuits. I like the "loser pays" approach. That would prevent people from suing to extort money. We know the game. Make them cough up $50,000 rather than pay $150,000 in legal fees. If the loser had to pay back that $150,000 they would not sue.


I don't think that's a problem here in Hawaii. Some years back while at Daiei Store in Kaheaka St., I meet a wheelchair bound individual. After talking briefly about this person's injury/handicap I quickly said to her..." you sued didn't you?" Her reply came back as quick as the questioned rolled off my lips, "You're joking right?" she said. Upon further conversation I found out that this person became handicapped because of a negligent Doctor at Queens Hospital. You think it would be a cut & dry case of malpractice. You just can't get another doctor in the state of Hawaii to testify against another member of the chapter of the AMA Hawaii medical association! They have an unwritten rule to never testify against another doctor in the state...

The problems with doctors here is at epic purportion. Even half the ones at clinics aren't even Doctors too, they are what are referred to as PA's,' Physicians Aids'. Glamour up nurse if you ask me. Actually I found the physicians at Bay Clinic not very compentent as a prime example of what I'm talking about. But we are in such bad shape as far as getting medical help in Puna. I worry about our community between the two towns of Keaau & Pahoa Town, but it must be worse in a lot more areas of the big Island? Does the Seaview/Kalapana area have a clinic at all?

Wow, I grew up thinking that the majority of people who went through med school did so for the love of "health & science"? Boy have times changed. I think an old family style doctor with home visits would be great for Puna, and I would think profitable if done with quality if the Big Island could recruit these types of doctors here.

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#25
Here is a reason why doctors are leaving the islands right from the mouth of one of them.

Physician Exodus

http://westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2008...ters01.txt
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#26
Very informative letter in Tuesday's West Hawaii Today, (The Physician Exodus) We had an excellent Doctor who opened a walk in clinic downtown Hilo, he never turned anyone away, same thing happen to him, checks being sent to the patient instead of the physician. We end up being the losers!
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#27
I was on a Jury on Oahu for a Malpractice suit where a patient committed suicide in a hospital.

The doctor in charge of her care was on trial and the family was seaking $500,000 for each of two of the patients children that lost their mother.

We the jury found the Doctor Innocent.

Still to this day, I think about how that doctor was slammed in the Court Room by that families doctor, although we the jury found none of it to be true.

Now you folks are probably wondering who this doctor maybe???

Dr. Ben Young... now you folks are saying who is that?

Well he was the Doctor on Board the Hokuleia when Eddie Aikau (EDDIE WOULD GO!) Died trying to save the crew of the boat.

He was, at the time of the trial, the Director of Native Hawaiian Center of Excellence and was one of the first licensed doctors in the State of Hawaii with Hawaiian Blood in him.

Of course, we as jurors didn't find this out until we were sitting there as jurors.

I sat there in that court room for 8 hours a day for 10 days listening to this doctor getting slammed about the way the Hospital ran things.

I later found out after the trial and after we found the doctor innocent, that the family had already settled out of court with the Hospital and was now just trying to get money from the doctor that was on hand.

The case surrounded a lady bashing her head into a concrete type drawer they had in her room and the lawyers were insistent that this lady wouldn't have killed herself had Dr. Young been doing his job.

Well we as a jury came to the conclusion that the ladies death had nothing to do with Dr. Young.

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#28
again i encourage all to read the physician exodus mentioned above. on the east side, everything said about HMSA please include the Bay Clinic. this organization with their high paid ceos and management has done more to run docs out of the hilo side than any other.. i think there is a list of 33 providers they have run out. but they get their funds by recruiting, by having their pictures in the paper, by joining rotary and being in the news and bringing docs in. well, you have to get rid of the docs you bring in in order to keep recruiting and thus the cycle goes... so the good docs who maybe had the dream to come to big island are so disillustioned when they leave, many leave the island.. and so you see this constant turn over there. and yes someone mentioned they werent even docs, which is true, many times you are actually seeing an intern from back east i think it is luthern college in boston? i am not sure on that, but any of the good docs if they make it a year is unusual. but people keep going there because it is the only place they can get in.. again trapped in the albert einstein insanity.. of course this is all my opinion since the bay clinic has no shortage of lawyers to defend their practices... this is what i think takes place
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#29
why not h1-b visas for MDs? everyone else has to deal with outsourcing...we could get a bunch cheap from cuba or india? healthcare for profit means you have to pay out as little as possible for services to maximize profit...
also...harvard medical school did a study of malpractice claims a few years ago showing the system works pretty well and 2/3 of malpractice cases go to the plaintiff...also that most people that could sue don't...
usually insurance companies want tort reform after they've lost a lot of money in the stock market or a hurricane...
medicare for all'd probably be better...
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