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The value of lurking
#1
Aloha,
I have been thinking a lot about the recent changes in both the quality and quantity of discourse here on Punaweb, while also trying to keep the influx of new members straight in my head in terms of who said what.

When I first found Punaweb I lurked for a long time, partly because web forums were new to me, and partly because I am actually pretty shy around new people (which may explain why I still haven't made it to Scuba Sunday). By lurking I was able to get a sense of the preexisting community and that community's culture. It took me a long time to start posting, and a long time to do more than ask pretty mundane nuts and bolts questions. That time spent lurking was well spent, I had a good feel for Punaweb before I put in my 2 cents worth and I am glad I didn't just dive right in.

Web forums are everywhere now, and there is an overall web based culture in which people are downright scathing and insulting to anyone they disagree with. Unfortunately, that culture is now seeping into Punaweb, with people diving right in with personal insults and flaming responses the first day they stumble upon Punaweb.

Because at times this can be such a caring and hospitable community I issue my plea: when you first find Punaweb, please spend a little time getting the lay of the land and a sense for how people here interact before treating this like just another anonymous web forum. We are more than that, we are neighbors here, both physically and virtually, and even if you disagree with your neighbor, people usually don't start calling names and hurling insults.

Please understand that the above really and truly is not directed towards any particular person or persons, but is a generalized observation. It is also probably colored by the fact that I spend all day with middle school kids who overall handle their disagreements in a more mature fashion than I have seen here lately. When Rob says he feels like a middle school hall monitor it is actually an insult to my students who spend WAY less time calling people out and creating drama than Punaweb has recently experienced.

Mahalo for reading,



Carol

edited to fix a really stupid typo once again!
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
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#2
Right on, Carol. There is such potential here for real discourse and communication between neighbors and community. It's why a lot of us keep checking back and trying. Rob's efforts are appreciated, but as adults, we should be able to apply basic, respectful communication skills and minimize the need for him to be the 'hall monitor'.

Things often get squirrely on this forum, and while differences of opinion are healthy and necessary, abuse is not. Abuse hurts. Don't we all know that?? Whether you're anonymous or not, treat people how you want to be treated. Make the most of this phenomenal tool! Don't cheapen it with baiting and reckless accusations. There's more good than bad. Thanks for all the good puna webbers!
Melissa Fletcher
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#3
yeah, that is why im still a malihini though being here for a couple years. much aloha to all.
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#4
a public meeting or assembly for open discussion ... Let's just face it! Some people are more negative then others. Some Forums encourage people to express their opinions in calling out people and disagreeing in a un-civilized manner.

And you know that's fine when your on a PUBLIC (Nation Wide) Forum I think. You know when you got someone from the East Coast disagreeing from someone on the West Coast. Sometimes a Heated debate and getting up on the soap box (ranting) about this or that can get a little dicey and like watching Jerry Springer; the entertainment value really goes up and is rather enjoyable! Big Grin Tho, that's just me.

I think what one has to come to conclusions is, Even tho they call it the Big Island, It's still small compared to the USA where everyone knows everyone. Chances of running into a neighbor or friend -OR- enemy is pretty good. It's not like we got 5 different towns with a Safeway and a Walmart in each one. I think a lot of people from the Mainland FORGET they are on an island ... So point being. Always play nice and try not to piss anyone off. Sorry goes a long way. Good Luck!
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#5
We have a wonderful community here on the Big Island and on Punaweb. No matter where we go, there will always be someone who just can't stand it that others are happy and enjoying themselves. These people tend to be unhappy themselves. I feel sad for each of them. Of course, that doesn't mean I want to put up with their garbage.... but I do still feel sorry for them. Personally, I enjoy living in a world where I feel happy and safe; a world where we help one another with information and sometimes in more direct ways. That is what Punaweb has really developed into. It is a unique forum because there is so very much crossover from the net to real life. It is the only internet community I have participated in that is truly a community. We gather together to solve problems, laugh, play and share life.

To those few who find it necessary to try to spoil it, just remember that you are behaving like the 12 year old class clown afraid and insecure and trying to bring others down to your own feelings to validate yourselves. You would be much happier if you just hopped over to the other side and could share in the fun, laughter and security of honest camaraderie.

I can honestly say that Rob and Punaweb have solidly influenced life here on the Big Island. Most of us have made true life friends, broadened our social horizons and developed a very real new life here in this very remote island. I can hardly imagine life here without Punaweb. It would be vastly different for us all. Punaweb allows us to shine!

So, what does this have to do with this thread? Just encouragement to those who do lurk for a while to get a feel for things. Remember that a few trying to spoil it can not in the end ruin our wonderful group here. Recognize who those destructive influences are and just ignore them. They only continue because we forget ourselves sometimes and rise to the bait. My hearty welcome to all of you who watch and wait. Get yourselves out to an activity (is it time for another Punaweb Party??).

I truly mean it when I write "I love you guys". There is a web/real life community here that I doubt can be matched anywhere else. Welcome to our little paradise.


Pam Lamont

I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says

"Oh Crap, She's up!"
I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says

"Oh Crap, She's up!"
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