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grazer advice
#1
We have the standard HPP lot that was bulldozed to death when the lot was first developed and then the builder built up a rock platform at the front of the lot which stair steps down to the flat and much lower back 1/2 to 2/3rds of the lot. During a long period of time when my husband was laid up with a foot injury, the weed whacking in the back part got way ahead of us, and now it is ridiculous.

I want to get some sort of herbivore or herbivores to keep the grass under control and need advice on what kind. We have the following conditions to work with:

1. The prior owners planted a bunch of really exotic fruit trees in the back, which are now mature, and we've planted a few other things which are still small, so I don't want something that will clear cut the fruit trees just for spite, which seems like it would rule out goats, although I've had goats before and liked them in spite of their goatish personalities. Have people been successful with orchard goats as long as they had enough other stuff to eat?

2. My dogs have never shown in interest in mammals bigger than them, although their prey instinct with anything chicken sized or smaller is intense, but I am still a little wary about sheep, because I know sheep can be really attractive to dogs.

3. I would prefer to cross fence with electric fence to keep the grazer out of the front "yard" where the house is, so the dogs would probably be able to get back to the animals.

4. I would love to get a weaner calf every year and raise him for the freezer, but my vegan husband would have a really hard time with that.

5. A donkey would be about the right size but they don't do well alone and can be noisy.

6. I have had a lot of experience with horses and ponies, and would give a pony a loving retirement home, but the prices for them in Hawaii are really high, even for retirement age horses and ponies. Plus ponies also are herd animals.

Any practical advice would be welcome.

Carol

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Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
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#2
If you can figure out a way to protect them, chickens are great grazers. You might try pigs as well.
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#3
Interesting suggestions, but........ Pigs love to root around trees and kill them, and we like our fruit trees. As I said above, anything chicken sized or smaller is in the prey zone for my ratters, including chickens, we've got feral chickens around and they've learned to stay out of our yard the hard way. Geese are really good grazers, but can be mean and are hard to keep where you want them and their poop is slimy and gross.

Carol
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
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#4
We recently got some geese. They are serious grazers. They also produce an amazing amount of fertilizer, in their 'kiddie pool' pond and on the ground.
Make some noise, but nothing irritating.
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#5
...about geese being "mean" -- ours are Chinese geese; a bit smaller and much less aggressive than the bigger white geese.
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#6
I was thinking geese also, but I'm no expert. I dont know how good turkeys are at grazing but they get big at least. I think there maybe some giant chicken hybrid species also. Let us know what you try, and what works. Guinea pigs would be awesome aside from the dog problem, but they dont really run fast. They sort of just sit there. Your dogs might not get so excited about them. The mongeese would love to eat them though.
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#7
OH, this might be a good idea. Get a few geese that are big and mean, and put some guinea pigs in there also. Hopefully the geese will intimidate the dogs enough, and the guinea pigs are slow enough to not really incite the dogs to riot. A "mixed herd" of guinea pigs and geese sounds good to me. This could also, possibly, be a bad idea, so if someone has experience with a mixed heard such as this, please let us know...
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#8
My dogs brought me a rat as big almost as big as them within an hour of bringing them home the first day.

They are poi dogs with some sort of ratter ancestry that makes their prey instinct fierce. Anything chicken sized or smaller, including chickens, would have a life expectancy of less than five minutes on our place. Even geese or turkeys could be asking for trouble. A rat, mongoose, chicken, or any other prey species sets 1 paw on our place and they go into team hunting mode, day or night. Because they are twin sisters, they are able to hunt like one dog with two bodies and are very effective killers. I will not bring home anything for them to just kill it.

Someone has offered me some grown sheep, which I am seriously considering, lambs would be asking for trouble I think.

Carol
Carol

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#9
WEll, I was going to advocate for a nutria herd, but thought better of it due to "invasive species" issues. I think you could bring one sheep as a trial and have something handy to control the dogs if they go wild. Sheep might just be too much temptation, but I guess you'd find that out with a trial run. Let us know!
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Originally posted by unknownjulie

WEll, I was going to advocate for a nutria herd, but thought better of it due to "invasive species" issues. I think you could bring one sheep as a trial and have something handy to control the dogs if they go wild. Sheep might just be too much temptation, but I guess you'd find that out with a trial run. Let us know!


Sheep and goats are herd animals and a person should never own just one of them unless they plan on spending a lot of time with them.

Sheep make good lawn mowers. They will eat stuff down to a good height. They typically don't try to escape. Goats will spend all of their time trying to get to their favorite stuff. They will climb trees, jump fences, try to get under them, whatever it takes. They will spend hours figuring out a way to get to something that takes them 5 minutes to eat, all the while they are surrounded by edible nutrition. Sheep just eat.
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