More fuel for the fracking debate.....

[Richard Ha]

Rob's is a good over view.. Here is some pricing detail. http://hahaha.hamakuasprings.com/2011/03...ermal.html.

[Bullwinkle]

When dealing with rates and other promises by the geothermal - would it not be wiser to look at past practice rather than future promises

- to extrapolate what actions will be taken in the future by said industry

looking at a track record before jumping into bed good dating and business practice - grin

[opihikao]

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Originally posted by Bullwinkle

When dealing with rates and other promises by the geothermal - would it not be wiser to look at past practice rather than future promises

- to extrapolate what actions will be taken in the future by said industry

looking at a track record before jumping into bed good dating and business practice - grin

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Not necessarily, Bullwinkle. The laws that have changed since that time with regard to pricing specifically, is what should be looked at.

Further, the "past practice" is almost as obsolete as the existing plant. Future geothermal development should not be penalized due to the actions or non-action of developers, State (ie. Health Dept., etc.)and Federal government (EPA, etc.). Nor should future development be subject to inaccurate information. Scientific facts need to be realized, and in the process, experts of this field will ensure development is done properly.

Most important, we should not be penalized as a community by continued outrageous HELCO bills, which also affects many people's lives! We need to change the norm, and make certain the PUC holds HELCO/HECO/HEI and the developers to commitments made to this community.

IMUA geothermal, and mahalo Tutu Pele for your gift.

JMO.

[Bullwinkle]

corporate welfare all the same.....

[ckg]

Assuming the science backs it as a safe and viable way to create electricity , why should this not be a public utility financed through bonds?

[Bullwinkle]

100% owned financed and operated..... but most of all - supported by the local community .... agreed

[kalakoa]

Should really be public transmission infrastructure fed by private suppliers (who then have to compete free-market style).

[Bullwinkle]

bonds can be public or private - search "Bill Gross"

it isnt about the money - its about transparency and true local support and an input in planning - as well as a good look at risk / reward

thats what bond guys do.....

[Anxious Messiah]

"The laws that have changed since that time with regard to pricing specifically, is what should be looked at."

Laws change, Corporate culture and practices - lack of disclosure and shady dealings don't.

"Further, the "past practice" is almost as obsolete as the existing plant. Future geothermal development should not be penalized due to the actions or non-action of developers, State (ie. Health Dept., etc.)and Federal government (EPA, etc.). Nor should future development be subject to inaccurate information. Scientific facts need to be realized, and in the process, experts of this field will ensure development is done properly."

How do you reconcile "Future geothermal development should not be penalized due to the actions or non-action of developers..." and "...experts of this field will ensure development is done properly."

Developers are also considered "experts". When have these "experts" or an industry ensured development was done properly? Especially when it comes to the energy industry!

[Guest]

Well since we are encouraged to ask questions here, I feel compelled to ask a few. Recently while driving through a few subdivisions like Nanawale and Leilani. I could not help but notice all the Gas, or steam, or vog. What ever it was it laid low and seemed to rise slowly. This makes me wonder how much water geothermal uses? Do they have there own underground or on ground water holding tanks or pools?. Could steam a few degrees heat up our soil or land a degree or two?. If so could this be affecting the sensitive Ohia in the area?. If geothermal increases their volume for helco and the state, would this process need even more water to make steam?. How much of this geothermal steam could be leaking or rising through our soil?. Is it possible to have escaped steam rise miles from the plant or well?. Seems to me we could have a huge cesspool underneath us at times. WE notice this gas, or steam rising out of our backyard too more recently than in the 90's. Maybe its just lava steam from below though? FIND OUT THE FACTS, DON'T FRACK.