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Bill to Ban Smoking in Public Parks
#51
well, I am more tolerant of pot smoke when it comes my way because it doesn't bother my lungs like tobacco smoke, and I don't know why that is, what about nicotine is more bothersome to me. I haven't smoked pot myself for 20 years. When I did it was in a group of people who all wanted to do it, not in public, unless you count a Grateful Dead concert ...

I agree that smoke is smoke and would never argue people should have to put up with pot smoke if they don't want it.

Again, my personal response when at an outdoor concert, for example, is when I get a whiff of pot smoke it smells good and a whiff of secondhand nicotine smells awful, but everyone's mileage may vary on that.

The Sneak a Toke was developed to contain the pot smoke, too bad tobacco doesn't have smoke containment devices, that would be cool. The first Sneak a Toke I ever saw was brought back from Amsterdam, where pot smoking is legal in certain bars, which is kind of odd come to think of it, that people would use it where they had no fear of being arrested.
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#52
The Hawaii County Council voted 7-2 yesterday to approve a ban on smoking at Big Island beach parks and recreational facilities.......[xx(]

Mayor Harry Kim, concerned about enforcement issues, has said he likely would veto the bill. [Big Grin]

However, the nine-member Council could override a veto with a two-thirds vote.
[Sad!][V]

Two-Thirds of 9 is only 6. Looks like the ban might happen [B)]
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#53
Mayor Harry Kim says he will not sign off on a proposal to ban smoking at Big Island beach parks and recreation facilities.

Kim has until Monday to either veto the bill, which was approved by the Hawai'i County Council, or allow it to become law without his signature.


I hope he vetoes this thing even though I have quit again for over 2 months[Smile].

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#54
I should probably put this in This Thread but I'll leave it here.

A month and half after a smoking ban went into effect at county parks and recreational facilities, no citations have been handed out. But there haven't been any complaints about people breaking the law, either, according to Hawaii County Police Capt. Kenneth Vieira.....

The Department of Parks and Recreation has ordered 400 "No Smoking" signs to be posted in the recreation areas,


I wonder at what costs these signs are costing. If there have been no citations and no complaints... then why the need for the signs.

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#55
You need signs to placate the holy nonsmoking bitchandmoaners(not all nonsmokers but that special few) . As they know all and have no place for evil smokers ruining "their" pristine paradise.
No longer a smoker,but any patchoulie, etc annoys me as do many things, but me thinks we need to share the air, like it or not. Buncha wimps!

Lets see 400 signs@ 10$ each=4000$. Planning time to plot each sign's location (possible public hearings at each park location) 2 persons 2 weeks minimum 8000$ Publish maps with Geodetic locations of each sign 1000$.
4 crews with trucks and tools, dispatched with exacting maps for each sign, and the tools and equipment for instalation, 20000$. All to satisfy the "wonderful ones"

Gordon J Tilley
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#56
I hear ya! Let's also get rid of those stupid No Littering signs, nobody's going to tell me what to do. I pay my taxes, let someone else clean up my mess!

But seriously. For or against it, the law is there and so the signs make sense. People won't inadvertently break the law and the cost of enforcement goes down.
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#57
Right, and now we're going to add to the litter, 400 signs which will be rotted out in a year, forming ugly tilted grafiti looking things and will last like that for 2 years.
Didn't I hear "no complaints", what else do you want?
Gordon J Tilley
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#58
No complaints doesn't mean people aren't smoking, it just means people aren't calling the police. Hardly surprising.

Given there's a new law, with (I suppose) a fine attached, whether you agree with it or not, is it not a good idea to have signs reminding people? Less chance of inadvertent law breaking,
less litter.

If some/most smokers didn't treat the world as their ashtray, it wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
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#59
Good idea, keep the police busy with the smokers, just don't bitch when your car or house gets ripped off.
Gordon J Tilley
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