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@ JerryCarr: "Back on topic, all of this posturing over "roads in limbo" will do nothing about the fact that people in "substandard" subdivisions are paying road tax and fuel tax, but not getting as much as other taxpayers. Councilman Yagong, to his credit, has proposed a remedy for this as far as the fuel tax is concerned, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere."
Curious, as I haven't seen it on the Council schedule, but could have missed it, has Councilman Yagong actually moved his proposal forward for committee or council discussion? I know he said he was waiting for the Atty Gen'l to chime in with interpretation of the verbiage he is basing his proposal on..perhaps that is what is holding him back? I hope he has better response from the AG's office than I have ever had.
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Originally posted by JerryCarr
I didn't mean to imply that the "roads in limbo" and the substandard subdivision roads are literally the same. There is a philosophical relationship, however, in that the County refuses to recognize the fait accomplis of their existence and do anything to help with their upkeep.
But they are "private" roads, not owned by the government. Why should all taxpayers of the County be saddled with improving private roads? The fact that it’s treated by people as public roads does not negate the fact that they are still private.
If residents want the County to take control and be responsible for these private roads as public roads, bring them up to county standards and dedicate them to the County. The County has a legitimate right to refuse maintenance of these roads, otherwise, what’s to prevent a private resort from demanding the County (taxpayers) to maintain their private roads? Or developers from demanding the County (taxpayers) maintain a parking lot at their commercial area just like a municipal parking lot? Or any taxpayer demanding the County (all taxpayers) maintain their "Private" driveway?
Private is private, Public is public. Demand and force maintenance on public roads owned by government but keep taxpayers’ money out of the hands of private people. Isn’t that the gist of what so many claim is being done; government is using taxpayers money for private purposes? If it’s bad for that, why isn’t it just as bad for some private roads? Or is it that, it’s wrong when they do it for those people but its alright when they do it for me? It’s only wrong when they get, not when I get?
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Which roads are you referring to Bob? Roads in Limbo are called 'roads in limbo" for a reason. Their ownership has been indeterminate. The state and the county, after batting them around for several decades, have come to a conclusion about their title and responsibility. The county has taken legal charge of 100+ miles of Roads in Limb".
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I was referring to private roads as having no similarities or connections to the Roads in Limbo situation. Private Roads are just that privately owned. Roads in Limbo are a failure of the State that thrust the problem on the County and now impacts the people. Roads in Limbo are a simple fix, Money! Pay to have the issue properly researched, pay to bring them up to County standards, and pay to maintain them. County or State, government is fully responsible, but neither wants the responsibility.
I personally believe they don't want this solved; it saves them a boat load of money. Think about this, let's say the State & County decided they don't want those roads and if they are privately held, imagine the back taxes owned; how quickly do you think it would be legally resolved as to ownership? I give it a month or two, tops. But since this has more to do with spending money to maintain the roads, the incentive to solve this is nowhere. [
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Just another thought. What will happen with the "private" roads in HPP if the coastal road (PMAR) goes through?
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Who built these 'roads in limbo'?
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Actually a high percentage (perhaps the majority) of these "roads in limbo" were built by the sugar plantations as a means to access and harvest/haul their crops. As such, these roads were often not built to any standard, other than what the plantations deemed necessary for their needs.
