Bill 209

[DanielP]

AGAIN I ASK....WAS THERE A VOTE?

[Kapohocat]

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Originally posted by DanielP

AGAIN I ASK....WAS THERE A VOTE?

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It was postponed at the applicant's request.

[DanielP]

Thanks Cat!

Dan

[Rob Tucker]

It is my understanding that it was continued into mid June.

[missydog1]

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Originally posted by Kapohocat

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Originally posted by KathyH...But I know she is sincere about her reasons for opposition....

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Is the only opposition (by any community member] that the range of approved use is too broad a field? Is there any other valid opposition? I havent heard/seen anything but please if there is - it should be presented.

Maybe what Planning Dept needs is for there to be different commercial zoning designations that are less encompassing than currently exists. These then can be applied for without a fear of crematoriums, as a comparison.

The one silliness I do see is that as the example of a crematorium is brought up, there is often a HUGE difference between what can be done, and what will be done. Many times the other hurdles would preclude business like a crematorium opening in that area - SOH DOH being I see the largest hurdle in the case of a crematorium. Some of the other businesses IMHO on this list are just not viable profit makers in that specific location.

We would be better served to rally around figuring out what is going in across from the Post Office than one small piece of property that will probably be retail.

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Cat, your post seems directed at me, but I have no desire or place to be the spokesperson for the people involved. There's a topic on Big Island Chronicle, and you could ask there.

I did pick the crematorium out of the hat knowing it was extremely unlikely, kind of joking, didn't expect it to be taken seriously. [] I think your idea that a narrower list of uses for right in the Village might be looked at, a commercial zoning lite if you will. But does that require changes in the General Plan? I don't know, Bob Orts would know about that.

I don't want to be the person taking questions for someone else here. I said I had personal confidence of her integrity, and I'd appreciate if it were let go at that -- my opinion. You can disagree, but I'm not interested in spending any more time going over my posts in detail. I've WAY exceeded my interest in this topic already, and I'm working on my to do list ...

[Rob Tucker]

Tiffany seems to have lost interest in the discussion. Perhaps she will return to make her own case (it is her topic afterall).

[missydog1]

That's what I was trying to say. Don't ask me questions that are for her to answer. I was commenting on what was said here from my own perspective, not representing.

fwiw, I think Pahoa is getting to be a nicer village. My experience with it only goes back nine years, but I think it has a better feel now.

I do wince every time I see the Woodland Shopping Center. Kelena gave the ugliness its own topic a while back: "Landscape that Fugly Longs."
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11526

At the moment, one can leave that fugliness behind once arriving in the old part of town, and I like that.

[Kapohocat]

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Originally posted by KathyH

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Originally posted by Kapohocat

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Originally posted by KathyH...But I know she is sincere about her reasons for opposition....

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Is the only opposition (by any community member] that the range of approved use is too broad a field? Is there any other valid opposition? I havent heard/seen anything but please if there is - it should be presented.

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Cat, your post seems directed at me, but I have no desire or place to be the spokesperson for the people involved. There's a topic on Big Island Chronicle, and you could ask there.

I did pick the crematorium out of the hat knowing it was extremely unlikely, kind of joking, didn't expect it to be taken seriously. [] I think your idea that a narrower list of uses for right in the Village might be looked at, a commercial zoning lite if you will. But does that require changes in the General Plan? I don't know, Bob Orts would know about that.

I don't want to be the person taking questions for someone else here. I said I had personal confidence of her integrity, and I'd appreciate if it were let go at that -- my opinion...

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KathyH, not to inflame you but it is not all about you, or for that matter Tiffany. So dont take the crematorium comment personally. It was actually, IMHO, the most farfetched use on the list and made me laugh long before you mentioned it. I used it as an example since it was mentioned in this thread. No one mentioned a gas station, or any of the other 46 examples except the retail use, of which a couple I rolled my eyes at as not viable business in the middle of a block with substandard street width, and fairly limited parking.

As for asking on BIC, you do what you want, and I will post here on this thread about this topic. I believe this thread with people I respect responding is more of an interest to me. I value quite a few people's opinion here such as Rob's because he lives and has a business just steps from main street Pahoa, and Bob Orts for wading though the legalese for us non-lawyers. I did read both comments on this story on BIC. There was no additional knowledge or anecdotal information provided there by any others.

We know Tiffany is opposed, and I specified I am interested in any community members reasoning who are in opposition. Truly interested. Is any one else opposed? And more specifically, are any opposed who hold no financial interest in the outcome? What are their reasons? I understand Tiffany is sincere in her opposition, and I did not question her integrity in records regards to her opposition. Good points by many here such as comparisons to adjacent and neighboring properties that are already zoned commercial, and the uses available to them have been made.

I understand the Galans (I am no longer using the term "skate shop people") are very interested in this issue because as I understand a sale of it as a single family residence is not very probable with residential zoning, being almost fully surrounded by commercial operations, traffic and noise, and no longer being truly a residential neighborhood any longer.

As another example, when the BK/Long's/Paul's/KFC was on its final stages of development there was quite an opposition from many people for the following reasons, not just the type of operations allowed (fast food, and big corporation) but also because of the traffic issues (flow and congestion) involved.

Again a simple question is asked: what, if any, other opposition exists to this zoning change request? I do not see any reasons presented other than the objections to the broad range of use if the zoning designation is changed.

I also tried to present an idea for an option. There may be broad changes need to be made to the General Plan that is so antiquated, it is almost laughable as the people at SPACE would probably agree. Maybe these requests need to be put on hold. The designation could change as to what is included and narrow the list down so that Crematorium (as an example) is no longer on the list of acceptable uses. Furthermore, with the existing zoning, unless your crematorium was already permitted and functioning, it would not be allowed as a use. Another example is an area like mine, where all SMA assessments were put on hold for almost 5 years, while the situation here was sorted out by the county and state.

ETA: Yes, continued not postponed! Thanks Rob!