Hotspot

[Hunt Stoddard]

Of the 150 cases in Hawaii right now, over 100 are on Oahu, so it's becoming obvious that if there are coronavirus hotspots in Hawaii they'll be on Oahu. The obvious next inference is that intra-island flights should be restricted or even shutdown. Thoughts?

[Chunkster]

Already in the works and reported elsewhere on Punaweb. Here's a link:

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/2...peratures/

[1voyager1]

Any city will be, or become, a hot spot.
That's where the numbers grow the fastest and largest, because of the higher rate of contact between people.
That's why during epidemics in the past, people fled the cities.
There are exceptions to that, but still entail the grouping of people.
Why do they say: stay at home, stay out of large groups, maintain social distance and other means to reduce proximity and contact between people?

EDIT:
Add to that the prevalent trait where most [probably almost all] people believe, with little doubt, that it will happen to the other guy, not to them.

[Mindful]

I think I'm totally losing my mind. Am I the only person that sees the logical path of progression in all this?

These "hot spots" will be a rolling wave across every city in every state. People will be forced to shut down when the system gets overwhelmed. NY, in 3 weeks, will be 10 times worse than it is now. In the meantime, you pick the city, it's coming to you. Next stop Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, etc. Like a traveling circus, it's coming, but people refuse to shut down ahead of it to mitigate.

I heard the Indian Guru, Sadhguru, put it best in perspective on youtube..."This is the only time in human history where you are asked to do nothing. Now is the time to show what kind of human being you are. If you are a human being, than just be, at home. If you are driven by compulsion and have to be in society, then know you are killing someone's parents or grandparents right now. This is the only time in history when the greatest thing you can do for ALL of humanity is stay home and just be. How's That!?"

I agree with this. Why are we waiting until hospitals are overrun before we take the "stay at home" directive serious? I understand that certain services are essential and people need money. I see WAY, WAY too many cars on the road currently and know, maybe, 10% is essential. (I'm on the road 2 days a week going to one of those essential jobs FYI).

Hawaii is always late to the party for mainland trends. We will see the hospital overruns in 4-6 weeks when things are scaling down on the mainland. People will follow the national directive that it's time to go back to work when our disaster will just be in it's infancy. Given Hawaii's numbers in reference to high blood pressure and diabetes I suspect the state will have higher than average casualties.

Saw online that 2 states filed for FEMA assistance to handle the future system overruns dealing with morgues. Hawaii was one. I image someone was thinking ahead. I'd rather be 1st-2nd in line for assistance than 25th when the time comes.

I apologize for sounding so negative, but I see no way around this. Massive over runs coming to our hospitals and people just going about their day because "it isn't here yet" or the nonsensical "cure is worse than the cause" mentality. It all changes when someone in your family is affected. I've already seen it on the mainland with my older mother, who now takes it serious because her friend just died.

This thing is going to get nuts as it's an unstoppable train right now that many people have to have someone in their family personally affected before they take it seriously. So sad.

Wish you all the best. F politics, and just be! (at home)

[Hunt Stoddard]

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Originally posted by Mindful

I think I'm totally losing my mind.

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Then you will be mind-less. []

(A little sardonic humor in a time of stress.)

But seriously, I agree 100% Some people will not take this seriously until those around them, or they themselves, are dropping like flies. Let us hope that something pivotal happens before that, like an effective prophylactic drug, or weakening of the virus moving into warmer months. This is all hopeful thinking of course, and precisely the type of rationalization that makes doing nothing possible.

I myself drive to an isolated job each day, never stopping. I don't interact with others, except at a distance (way over six feet). I drive past Walmart each day and expect to see a few dozen cars. Instead I see a few hundred. Note to the public: there is nothing in Walmart worth dying for.

I personally (not a medical professional) think our Achilles heel lies in grocery stores and gas stations, and mostly grocery stores. This is the one place most people have to visit, so we should be particularly attuned to what we touch and how we disinfect there. The checkout card reader and keypad is not your friend.

[Guest]

I apologize for sounding so negative..

I call it practical, realistic. Thanks for saying it. The sooner this is in the open, talked about, confronted, recognized as our most possible future, the sooner the bozos will just go home. Stop with the whole let's make it easy take out stupid businesses declaring themselves essential services, oh but can't I go to the blah blah blah. I mean come on.. two people in a car is not social distancing, so if it isn't the person you're already committed to living with through this you're blowing it just driving down the road.

To drive the point home we need roadblocks to be established, for police to have to check every single business on the island and certify that they are following the order, a full on enforced lock down. Enforced, with teeth. Otherwise we are going exactly where Mindful says. That, of course, is unless we don't have unseen asymptomatic spread taking place on island. Anyone want to lay odds on that?

And to think, we, the society of the Big Island, everyone, all 200k of us, have to realize this immediately...

[ironyak]

Mindful - I think I'm totally losing my mind. Am I the only person that sees the logical path of progression in all this?

You're not insane - the situation, and people's inability to recognize it, however is. We saw this in China, we saw it in Italy, now it's happening in New York, with other major cities soon to follow. People should've, would've, could've done things differently, but didn't and still won't.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/nyregion/1...ueens.html
"As New York City struggles to cope with the surging number of Covid-19 cases, a doctor has released footage of the dire conditions inside her Queens hospital – raising the alarm about the scale of the epidemic and the shortage of critical equipment needed to save lives."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/nyreg...s-ems.html
"N.Y.C.’s 911 System Is Overwhelmed. ‘I’m Terrified,’ a Paramedic Says. With coronavirus cases mounting, emergency workers are making life-or-death decisions about who goes to a hospital, and who is left behind."

[terracore]

"I'm totally losing my mind"

Your description sounds just like how we dealt with polio until a vaccine was developed.

[Mangosteen]

"weakening of the virus moving into warmer months" Flu "seasons" do go away as the weather warms, but it doesn't have anything to do with rising temperatures. As the weather warms, people spend less time crammed together with other people indoors breathing the same stale (possibly flu ladined) air. Another thing that happens when people spend more time outdoors is their body starts producing more Vitamin D as their skin is exposed to the sunshine. Vitamin D is an important flu fighter.