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The likes of Aprild is unfortunately who we would have on the "committee", and it would be so written that interpretation will be a constant problem! Mixed with "feelings"!
We don't expect to do whatever we wish with our lands, that's what zoning is all about! However, we're going to have to take a chance on whether we can clear or not after purchase! Is there going to be a buy back clause for the people who can't live with the restrictions on use, and want out? Including expenses!
How can you write such a law when your simple posts require interpretation? Huge potential for corruption! Way too much "feeling"!
In the next 1,000 years everything you're protecting now will be wiped out by lava! I know the lots which were stripped to start this in Volcano, and it was wrong. But many have been stripped and replanted, and look fine, including trees!
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gtill,
What the heck are you talking about?
april
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Aprild!
To begin, we own the property within the law, which restricts anything we shouldn't do! We don't just do anything!
Clean air: (yep we stopped burning sugar which removed most of the local population, and massively subdivided so we could over populate with white faces) just like the Chineese in Tibet.
But our air is clean!
Viewshed: What do you consider viewshed? Semi mansions lining the highways, I don't think houses should be visible from the road, nor should they exceed 2 stories or 250sf.per resident! But I wouldn't push that on anyone else
Mabe a few developers made a buck, but most just live! But do you also hate movie stars, sports heroes, and that billionair jet setter, Al Gore! I think your a bit jealous!
I realize you have it all figured out, and we'll all fall in line happily when this law sets in!
Incdentally, many of these subdivisions are AG zoned! When are you and your crew going to say who can use what and where! Mabe a functional farm should be a prerequesite for a building permit! And those existing on ag land have 5 years to get a farm up or it gets condemed!
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Dear tgill,
I think you must have me confused with someone else. I didn't say any of the things you accused me of saying. You have read quite a bit into my little post. I only suggested that there might be a better way of doing things and voiced a hope that it could be found eventually and benefit all.
I know it is very radical to question anyone's property rights in the good ol' US of A. I think in a more Native American way--that we must think of everything in terms of 7 generations into the future and that no one really owns land. I believe that the Earth IS our Mother and we should protect Her. I think I have the right to voice my opinion.
I know that there are already rules and regs. Frankly, maybe some of them should be altered to make it easier to build.
I doubt that I, personally, will be writing any laws in Hawaii (or maybe even elsewhere), so you again have me confused with someone else. I would like to be part of the process, along with others--some of whom may have different ideas than I, but I doubt I will have the opportunity.
Calm down. I'm sure everything will turn out all right. Don't worry. I didn't mean to scare you.
Finally, I believe that Builders should be able to make a living, but not a killing.
april
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Aprild, I am replyingto your statements about no right to infringe on others'clean air and water, Viewplane, non decimated natural resourses et al!
The clean air thing is sucessful by ethnic cleansing of most local folks in Puna has been accomplished!
Thatwas furthered by massive subdivisions, further populated by mostly mainlanders! (but the air is clearer since sugar!)
How do you interprert "Viewshed", any more than whatever you don't like to see!
What are "non decimated" natural resources? Again whatever doesn't meet your approval of natural! What would a sucessful orchid farm be on 5 acres of ex forest! How about coffee or mac nut"?
I live here and will be building soon, if I can reach the back of my lot without exessive bribery beyond the present building requirments!
Incidentally, to go Solar usually requires remmoval of trees!
Will your Native American plan include slavery? Many did, as did Hawaiians!
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Quote:
"In the next 1,000 years everything you're protecting now will be wiped out by lava! " - gtill
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Although this is most likely true, the seed banks for our future forests are the native forests today. It is important that we protect them.
I don't believe the greatest threat is within our subdivisions though.
A far greater percentage of native forest is controlled by the state.
They currently will lease large tracts state land out to a Paypaya farmer to rip, plant, then abandon to invasives. They've done this to old growth native forest on old Puna road, above Black sands Subdivision.
In my opinion, efforts to protect this resource should target our large state owned tracts.
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Greg, yep the state is the worst offender, but they also pass out the grants to placate the greedy enviro's!
I can't think of much worse than the spread of albesia! And much from state land! Now they throw us a bone to ugly up and destroy any possible good of the strawberry g uava, with no guarantee it won't go to other trees!
But given a free hand to control what we can do to clear our lots is definetly a stretch! Especially as openended as this is!
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There's absolutey no way the spread of albesia or miconia or guava is going to be halted unless we develope a profit-orientated industry which requires these species for production. Anyone who doubts that statement just take a drive to the end of the road opposite the steam vents on 130 when the gate is open.From there you can look down into Seaview and toward Black Sands Subdivision and up into the Wa Keli. We've been invaded by various species of 'Super Weeds' and that's it. The albesia in particular is rapidly becomming the climatic botanical on this island due to it's nitrogen-fixing capability and airborn seed vectoring potential which translates into an ultra-fast growth rate (of a very large tree) coupled with extremely rapid spread rate. It really is the Borg of plants at least for this island and we're going to have to find a way to make a profit off the albesia or it's going to take over and in time there won't be any native species to speak of.
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JayJay, absolutely,I've always held that a buck has to be made to make anything happen! A company just bought some thousands of acres on the other side of the island for it's eucalyptus for plywood! Same with recycling!
There has to be a market for wood chips, companies previously refused entry into a chip market on the Hamaka coast! Right now a company is being sued for trying to harvest wood off state land that had been planted for harvest 60 years ago! They're trying to make plywood!
Even if a company was to find a use for albesia (toothpicks,chopsticks) whatever, Big isle is probably the worst place in the country to do business! There seems to be an attitude against making profit!
I think the way to work here would be to come on as a kindly outfit, just out to help, and take out whole massive trunks and giant limbs, the rest will break down to soil! Then take the trunks to Phillipines to be processed into chopsticks and toothpicks! And make a pile, just not on BI (unless you're a moviestar)!
In the late 60s, early 70s, in front of Lava Tree, the county tried to clear the New Albesia which they recognised as a weed (C&C did). But there was such a screaming outcry from the new all knowing residents (mostly Cali's) how dare you cut our loving trees! C@C said screw you, and sure enough now we'e got what we asked for!
Gordon J Tilley
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