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What style of windows to use.
#21
robguz,

Well I looked through my old stuff and found some of the receipts for the disappearing wall. I'm not including the cost of the construction to make that 24' space since you would have to do it in construction or retro.

I bought eight 36X80 single panel wood glass doors from a local discount door company for a total of $1,200. They weren't drilled or mortised for anything. They weren't double pane, something I wished I considered. And they were unfinished.

The cost of the Johnson Hardware pivots, tracks, channels, hinges and stuff from a local company was about $800.

The cost of special locksets and knobs was $250.

The cost of a carpenter who specializes in doors was first $1,000 to put this all together and hang the unit, but ended up at $1,500 because of the unique need of the $350 worth of weather-stripping.

Add $500 for the DIY finishing (stain & poly).

So the cost was around $4,600. Now compare that to the $25,000 plus for doors an installation of the other system and you save around 75%. I will admit it's not as refined or smooth as the premade systems, but unless you can see them side by side to compare, most people think it's still a damn nice door system.

Unless you are handy, this isn't a job for a DIY as the need for quality and accurate installation of the pivots, hinges, tracks and such is too close to make a mistake. (not to mention needing the right tools) The weather-stripping also was a bear as we spent hours starring and playing with it before we could figure out how to do it and make it work right.

There's nothing quite like having a door that opens 24' with nothing to block your view. However, if I were to do it over again, I must honestly admit that installing a bank of French Doors probably would have been the better choice. Just try and find a 24' screen!


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#22
I am trying to get back to the original subject.

Glazing that faces into the wind deserve special consideration. Casement and awning windows as well as French Doors set to open outward close harder against the weather stripping when the wind pushes against them. Sliders can be forced apart allowing wind driven rain to enter. I have 6' sliders under a 6' overhang and I have seen wind driven droplets hit the top of the glazing (California not Hawaii but possible time thers is strong wind). The other thing to watch with sliders is the gasket and weather stripping provisions. Wind driven rain will hit the glass and roll down to the lower tracks. Rain that is not diverted from the tracks or allowed to drain through weep holes can be pushed into the house by wind pressure.


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#23
One application where I like casements is on a wall parallel to the breeze. A casement open at an angle will catch the slightest breeze. Pair a right and left opening casement and you will ready no matter which direction the breeze blows.


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#24
You can use a sun angle calculator like this web-based application from the U.S. Naval Observatory to calculate the position of the the sun through the day:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.html

The resultant table can be used by someone with CAD to calculate the amount of overhang necessary to provide the shading you desire over your glazing.


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#25
A word on Vinyl windows. Stick with white. The last time I looked into windows, I was told that a particular manufacturer had stopped selling colored vinyl in the hot California Central valley because they absorbed too much heat and were failing.

Cheap unfinished aluminum doesn't require salt spray to corrode. Acid rain is probably just as or more harmfull. VOG + Rain = Sulfuric Acid. High quality aluminum windows powder coated or sprayed with catalyzed urethane are pretty durable. Anodizing also works well if it is thick enough.


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#26
Thanks for all the info Bob. I was hoping lanaidoors.com might be a cheaper route but they want around $11,000 for 16' of folding doors. Way to much for me.
Rob

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#27
On more source for comparison that came up a month or two ago.

http://www.coastalwindows.com/sliding.htm

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#28
or Posted - 07/24/2007 : 11:59:36 Smile

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