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Mana'o on buying in Hawaiian Acres
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The first counts of Hawaiian populations were done by sailing along the coasts and counting people on the beaches. Currently archeologists are constantly revising the population estimates upwards, some estimates put the population close to the current population. The Polynesians first settled on leeward sides of islands close to the ocean, then they steadily moved up slope and around to the windward sides. Taro can be grown on land or in fresh water, so it is a good staple for these islands.

The ahupua'a systems were mostly wedges defined by watersheds that stretched from the ocean to the mountains and encompassed a wide variety of different ecosystems that allowed them grow, hunt, fish or gather for all their needs. But it was also a system without private land ownership where everyone on the ahupua'a either grew fat together, or starved together if there was a famine. People also moved within the ahuapua'a depending on what activities they were involved in. Obviously fishing happened at the shorelines, and firewood and timber were collected at higher elevations. There were also kahuna and konohiki who strictly controlled land and resource use to protect the ecosystems that supported the people. So the Eden Roc lands were probably not the site of a permanent village, but would have been part of an ahupua'a and been used for specific purposes. Bing maps actually have all the ahupua'a marked and it looks like it is either in the Ola'a or the Kea'au ahupua'as.

Sorry for the mini lecture but this is something I teach every year, and have been fascinated with since we moved here. The more I learn, the more respect I have for the Polynesians who came here and thrived. A good video that explains a lot about our Islands is "Hawaii 4D" if you can find it, it explains the ecosystems of the islands and how people have fit themselves into it, both in the past and in the present.

Carol
Carol

Every time you feel yourself getting pulled into other people's nonsense, repeat these words: Not my circus, not my monkeys.
Polish Proverb
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#12
Ok I have been reading about these walls that divert the water into HA that actually cause the flooding. What areas exactly are affected by this flooding or us it all of HA? This will help me to at least rule out the areas that are prone to flooding during heavy rains. Mahalo Nui
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#13
See earlier comment about satellite imagery. The floodplain is clearly visible.

Diversion wall runs from 1/A ("S Kulani") towards the "dead end" (not really) of road 2, at which point the floodplain meanders towards the community center.
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kalakoa it right (above), the old rock wall takes the water from where the sugarcane fields were (fields on either side of So Kulani), and diverted it through HA 50+ years ago. The wall is mainly between So Kulani and rd 2 area (deadend pigdump), and on google maps you can see the heavy growth of Waiwi (dark green) where the main creek is, but there are side channels too that will get flow in the biggest storms...

this is my creek area of my property (between B-C on 2), its right behind my cabin but at least 20'-25' lower, and only cuts across 150' of property and is at most 40' wide at the worst.... solo ironwood in creek is huge and about 18' around
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/flood1.jpg
http://centuryoldcards.com/images/flood2.jpg
it flows maybe 10-15 times a year (whitewater) but rarely more than a day at a time before it turns to puddles and soaks in

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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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