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HOTPE: ”But if an area you had hunted in for years became fenced, you wouldn't (a hunter) by the same logic carry a wire cutter along with your guns, ammo, etc?"
AaronM: Of course you would.
Then if both hunters as well as hikers might in your opinion carry wire cutters, why did you state:
AaronM: Fence cutting is not a hunting issue, it's a hiking issue.
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It's my opinion that more hikers than hunters have been fence cutters.
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01-06-2022, 11:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-06-2022, 11:55 PM by Carey.)
Having done studies in the upper Waialuku watershed, I have a very hard time picturing your run-of-the-mill hiker even out in some of the areas that have ungulate fencing..... most of the tracks in our study area around Hakalau had 4WD ATV tracks, not hiking boots....
No mattaʻ, Whoever has been cutting the fences, they seem to have a vandalism streak... Somehow, these just do not sound like the run-of-the-mill hiker out for a walk!
https://mauinow.com/2015/06/23/two-miles...a-reserve/
https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/blog/2015/06/22/nr15-91/
https://www.mauinews.com/news/local-news...ks-summit/
Par 5:
https://www.hawaiistar.com/2011/05/hakal...ment-plan/
Hawai`i conservation groups even have to plan for this vandalism!
(pg 29 par2)
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/hpicesu/DPW/SAILER_2006/04.pdf
(Pg 5 Par 4)
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/hpicesu/DPW/SAILER_2006/04.pdf
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Well, I stand corrected.
Even if all the fence cutting is hunter related, is the answer really more fencing?
How about unleashing the hunters by repealing bag limits and ending the seasonal restrictions?
Let's speed up the harvest hopefully faster than reproduction rates.
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01-07-2022, 02:20 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-07-2022, 02:22 AM by Carey.)
Aaron, if you EVER get a chance to talk to Jack Jeffrey about the efforts to utilize hunters to eliminate the ungulates in the Hakalau Forest, you will actually realize WHY your suggestion, though absolutely a great idea, is not something that can be done on the scale that is needed, even for a smallish area like Hakalau.... & to think that the logical solution to our invasive species issue is to simply have folks eat the invasive.... well, again, talk to Jack Jefferys...
Unless you think $1K steaks are logical....
The terrain & breeding capacity have to be figured into any equation.... & with the speed that native birds & plants are reaching critical populations, AND the fact it seems there are no hunters really that are willing to REALLY get into many of the areas that ungulates retreat into.... then you start to see WHY fencing is needed.... UNLESS you can get a CCC group that is willing to work those areas at a cheaper rate per mile, over the time that non-vandalized fencing should work.... (they have yet to find that here, that is why watershed protections for over a century here have included fencing...)
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Maybe a little coqui salad with a spicy fire ant dressing and a few sauteed snails as a nice appetizer. Making myself hungry now