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Micro Climates
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Got into Hilo for the first time in two months yesterday. With all its short-commings I've got to say I'm really glad the city has a Wal-Mart.

I stopped by Hilo Garden Exchange and discovered that the seed section which used to sit just off the office and had scores of locally produced speciaity seed had been taken out and relegated to a small commercial display at the west entrance. Shame really. I noticed three small packets at the bottom- Hawaiian Wonder and Poamoho pole beans. I grabbed them plus something called an Oblong Toogan (15 seeds for $3.95 - so at twenty-six cents per seed they must be something really good. The seeds look like cucumber seeds.)

The trick here in the bug capitol of the world (Black Sands), is to find species which are not affected by infestation and that's not very many. I suppose there should be a separate string developed for this topic since it's such vital information especially for those new here thinking they are going to put in a standard temperate garden with no problems. There also seems to exist a micro-climate attrition factor meaning that some things will produce well in some areas and poorly or not at all in others and the effect goes beyond simple elevation differences and can be very dramatic in terms of producion even in the same communty. For instance, I have a friend who in the past grew large beautiful Kubota squash here in Blaks Sands. I took the seeds and tried growing them here - and I've had a lot of experience growing squash- but what I got was just a whimper from the plants even though they had full sun and great soil et al. Yet up at his place, the same seeds produced a great crop. No signs of infestation on either plants so what gives? - I've never figured it out so the key here has been to continually try new seeds and plants searching for those species which do do well. Top rated, at least for this neck of the albesias and the guavas are:
Somoan Spinach; I love these hudge dark green emolliant leaves with their delicate taste. I make a great Samoan spinach soup with chyote (sp) plus green onions, garlic, basil rosettes, dash sea salt,black pepper, coconut milk, olive oil plus whatever else I have on hand.

Passion Fruit; Eat four passion per day and you'll feel great
- they're full of zanthones like mangosteen.

Pink cane begonia flowers; sour as hell but full vit-c.

Breadfruit of course; Bugs won't even look at this plant and vining crops generally won't either including passion and will do almost anything to grow in the other direction.

Sweet Potatoe; Wait until the flowers start to fall off and then remove, cultivate and amend and start over with either slips or budding potatoes taken from the ground. Each plot is good for about three to five years.

Basil; Year round, make sure they get lots of sun.


Chyote, basically bug free and I believe probably the most productive plant we can grow here.

Anyway, at least for me it's been a process of finding and observing what grows in my particular area and just because someone does well with a certain plant somewhere else on the island doesn't automatically mean you will be successful with it where you have your garden.


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OMG JayJay...I love this thread![Smile]

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Hey JayJay don't feel bad about the squash. It could be that your friend had a hybrid seed for the squash and the seed you got from it's fruit may have reverted back to a weak version of one of the parent crosses.
We are in Seaview. Zucchini squash is hard to grow here. We have been told that there is a pest that sting the bloom and kills the flower. Not sure if true.


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I grabbed them plus something called an Oblong Toogan (15 seeds for $3.95 - so at twenty-six cents per seed they must be something really good. The seeds look like cucumber seeds.)
I believe that Toogan (pron. "toh-gahn" with an elongate "o" sound in the first syllable) is a Japanese squash that's elongated. The stuff I recall has smooth, thin, light green skin with white innards that cooked to a translucent gelatinous form. If memory serves, it's believed to have some medicinal value. I don't recall that it tasted especially great.

Speaking of squash, kabocha is a great tasting pumpkin-like squash. The name is Japanese for squash, I think. I don't know what growing conditions are best. Cut one up into 2-3" pieces and steam for about an hour. It doesn't need seasoning, it's so sweet. You could put some shoyu on it. If you really like it, plant the seeds that you clean out of it. It has a dark green or splotchy, green & white skin that is thin and easily eaten when it's cooked.
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Mahalo Miss C.
So fifteen years later I wake up and look around. It all started with a phone call from my sister in Hilo.
"Hey ... you remember that home next to my lot in Black Sands? Guess what? It's 'for sale,'
"Really."
"Yep."
So I got on it and I was absolutely sinister with my bid but they took it and I found out later they were really happy to get out from maintaining it from California and best of all it came with a cleared lot next door with my sister's lot on the other side. Humm... potential.
I didn't really know what I wanted to do with it except grow a lot of tropcal fruit but I had a problem. The previous renters didn't know one end of a weed-eater from the other so consequently the waist high grass and weeds not only had overtaken the cleared lot but had encircled the entire home. To work! First I pulled out the weeds, some towering above my head and then, piece by piece, I began weed eating the grass. This of course is problematic since it simply grows back so I began ordering twenty-ton truckloads of black one-quarter inch cinder and slowly wheel-barreled it to the desired areas until the entire garden was covered and the total time invested on this procedure was about two years. Ten inches minimum and while this was going on I was planting starting with Breadfruit on the perimeters. I didn't create the typical permaculure as I had done in Seattle, this time I wanted something different so I intentionally broke many of the laws used to create a standard permaculture. For instance. Instead of planting tall trees on the north property lines they were planted on the south and before I decided where to lay walkways and trails etc., I simply planted plants where I thought they would grow well (in the future), and then I came in later with the walkways weaving them through the plants ad hoc. So here I am fifteen years later and the canopy has been created which requires very little weeding due to the shade offered above and I did leave one large and one small 'sun-slot' for more sun-loving plants. The effect is bizzare I admit and I would have ended up with more food production had I stayed with the traditional lay-out but I had learned in Seattle that I was able to produce more crops than I could ever use and that some latitude should be available in terms of being able to create more artistic almost 'baroque' permaculture.
I like the shade the various canopies provide contrasted by the sheer power of the sun-slot one is compelled to walk into when following the path.


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