Discoveries using the telescopes on Mauna Kea

[kalakoa]

give UH students 7.5% viewing time on the TMT itself

Those who can afford the airfare...

[Eric1600]

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Originally posted by kalakoa

give UH students 7.5% viewing time on the TMT itself

Those who can afford the airfare...

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Huh? Observations and experimentation can done remotely and UH is in Hawaii. Some experiments can be run then the data is just downloaded by the scientist for detailed analysis.

[Guest]

It's wonderful to see some of our local students involved with the education, work, and discoveries that happen from atop Mauna kea. This Should be an exciting century filled with all kinds of new discoveries, wonder, and solved or created mysteries.

Very impressive to see or read about the new technologies being implemented as well as some of the possible discoveries that many of these large telescope's from around the world will soon be capable of.

https://weather.com/science/space/news/b...rld-photos


P.S. TomK, Mahalo for sharing. Whether the TMT project gets built here or not, it's nice to know Mauna Kea and the big island are still home to many of the best telescopes in the world today.

[PaulW]

If you think it's wonderful and exciting then why are you against building a new telescope?
It's like saying you appreciate all the wonderful advances of medicine but you want to stop further medical research.
I'm mystified.

[Guest]

PaulW, good morning to you.


Not against building the new telescope. I was concerned about "where, why, and How" the telescope was going to be built and at what "COST" to everyone.

[kalakoa]

Observations and experimentation can done remotely and UH is in Hawaii.

Right -- works great as long as there's high-speed internet to whereever the TMT ends up getting built.

"where, why, and How" the telescope was going to be built and at what "COST"

Mexico or Chile or maybe India, at a cost of negative $30-35M/year for 10 years (local economy).

[PaulW]

There is no cost, only benefit. Have you, after all this time, still not understood that?
No more medical research, it costs too much!

[Guest]

PaulW, you make a good point if all costs and benefits came from only the almighty american dollar.

How much of our future generation's resources( electricity, water, infrastructure, and land ) were going to be needed or used to build, operate, and maintain the TMT telescope?

What kind of changes, sacrifice's, rules, and law's were going to be forced on many of our resident's and generation's to come by allowing the TMT to be built atop Mauna kea?

Would that money you speak of as benefits pay for the possible environmental impacts that may come with building a project as large as the TMT? Especially in such a sensitive, sacred, and rare environment as the summit of Mauna kea?
If the TMT project's building or operating equipment brought something like the "ROD" to the land, water, or people of Mauna Kea would those American dollars still be worth it to you?

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

What kind of changes, sacrifice's, rules, and law's were going to be forced on many of our resident's

Would you list them? Or if they are hypothetical, can you list the possibilities?

“What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality." -David Bohm

[kalakoa]

If the TMT project's building or operating equipment brought something like the "ROD" to the land, water, or people of Mauna Kea would those American dollars still be worth it to you?

That depends on whether it uses geothermal or oil-fired power, and how deep the cesspool is. JMO.