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Originally posted by Loren Baker...As an example, say Safeway wanted to open in Pahoa, we would grant their re-zoning and permits, but they would sign a binding agreement to provide X% of profits for road work, as their store would put many more delivery trucks on our only roadway....
What about mandating that they buy x% of produce from local island vendors instead? (A substantial amount not a token amt.) Or do some kind of exemptions now for small business to come in or expand in the current village centers of Pahoa, Keaau, Orchidland, Kurtistown, Mountain View, etc.
These are the types of items I am talking about - I understand the PCDP is a long term plan.
My original question is about the short term, and middle game plans so people do not starve or lose everything. Ideas any one?
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Loren, You may find all kinds of comments in emails between hundreds of people in the PCDP process. I would suggest that taking the word "mandate" out of context is being a bit selective. IF you find it in the PCDP approved document let me know.
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Oahu's train kinda makes more sense on the Big island, now that I think about it.
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Originally posted by Loren Baker
As an example, say Safeway wanted to open in Pahoa, we would grant their re-zoning and permits, but they would sign a binding agreement to provide X% of profits for road work, as their store would put many more delivery trucks on our only roadway.
You would have to require that of all businesses seeking rezoning. Singling out non-domestic entities will make the county poorer and mainland attorneys richer.
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Originally posted by Kapohocat
What about mandating that they buy x% of produce from local island vendors instead? (A substantial amount not a token amt.)
The incentive (Cash and cash equivelants) would need to be substantial to get them to decide its worth the requirements over a plave without the requirements.
If the demand for the service was there, they would already be considering it. Place too many requirements and you better be prepared to pay for those requirements.
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Originally posted by Kapohocat
Or do some kind of exemptions now for small business to come in or expand in the current village centers of Pahoa, Keaau, Orchidland, Kurtistown, Mountain View, etc.
The County can create an economic development zone where property taxes are reduced so long as the business agrees to conditions such as minimum employment. They can also provide sales or property tax reduction to off set capital improvements or development cost.
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Originally posted by mdd7000
What will keep people, attract people and create jobs at the same time?
By keep and attract I mean for the purpose of job creation in a manner that keeps people from driving elsewhere for those same goods, products and services.
Truth? Price! Variety! Quality! Quantity!
If the goods and services were available locally within the community but the cost was cheaper at Wal-Mart in Hilo or Costco in Kona, people will drive pass the local store and go there. Another option is bring those businesses to Puna. Get the County to agree to a Wal-Mart Super Center in Pahoa and employment opportunities will be there and people will be shopping locally. A Costco or Home Depot will bring jobs and local shopping. If the people are leaving the community to shop elsewhere, bring those businesses to the community so the people wont drive elsewhere to do their shopping.
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BobOrts, Many people decry Wal-Mart as evil, but surrounding every one of their stores are dozens of other, smaller stores that also employ people, provide needed goods and services and provide tax revenue.
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"agreement to provide X% of profits for road work, as their store would put many more delivery trucks on our only roadway."
First, if this is a serious proposal, please cite the specific legal authority the County Council has to do this.
Second, since the 'only roadway' is a State road, the County does not have jurisdiction to do anything regarding 'road work' there on.
An increasing problem we have seen in the current Council is the lack of understanding on the part of some members of what the Council actually does have legal authority and jurisdiction over. Serious proposals need to be based on reality, including what the Council does, rather than being uninformed 'pie in the sky' hype.
This also applies to espousing of doing something 'NOW' -- while such hype may sound appealing, it once again indicates a lack of understanding of the real world situation and does not accomplish anything now or later.
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BobOrts, Many people decry Wal-Mart as evil, but surrounding every one of their stores are dozens of other, smaller stores that also employ people, provide needed goods and services and provide tax revenue.
Indeed, and that's why in my last job whenever citizens raised issues of 'economic development’ I had them narrow down the definition in their minds. Is it jobs? Is it tax revenue? Is it commerce? Is it development? What?
One of the greatest challenges was trying to educate the public that when they talk about opening and closing doors for whatever reason, they need to fully understand that when a door opens, what comes in may not be what they wanted, and when they close doors, what is kept out may be what they wanted to come in.
Of course we can’t forget that people often don’t know what they really want or don’t want. Here on the mainland, in 2001 a community was opposed to a private company coming in. They had meetings and rallies against them when they heard the community was in consideration for a location to operate. "It would destroy the flavor of the community". The community was told, at that time, that this was a benign operation that wouldn’t really impact anything. But, they couldn’t see anything but their own fabricated misunderstanding.
Today, they are begging the company to come and operate. Now the community wants the jobs and tax revenue of that project. But, some other community is about to enjoy the fruits of their welcome wagon with 450+ jobs and over $51,000,000 of positive economic impact to the community.
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Rob: As you know the "Floating Zone" does not exist in County law and thus is not an available tool. The Action Committee could suggest it, but until it is there when the CDP says that this is the only tool to be used - it means that there could be NO zoning changes which is counter to the rest of the plan (which may be why J Yoshimoto is trying to remove the non-existant but only CDP required tool). Alternatively, the Plan could have suggested, for instance, using Project District Zoning which serves much the same purpose and provides great flexibility and IS in the current zone.
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Wax, PDZ can certainly be used so long as the requirements are met. But since it requires the same general process as would be required for creating new zoning or new zoning classifications, it will still have to go through the entire Bill passage process. That means public comments and such (not to mention political posturing) which have traditionally bogged down all zoning changes. The advantage of PDZ is that the general regulation is on the books, so it would just be a matter of creating the specific PDZ to be voted on.
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