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VICTORY in sight for Gay Civil Unions
#1
CONGRATULATIONS to all the gay brothers and sisters in Hawaii and in Puna and on punaweb for winning the first round in the house and senate for a small first step toward real equality in getting civil union into Hawaiian law.

I heard somewhere that the census report said the district of Puna has more self identified gays per cap than any other district in the US. It may or may not be true. Does anyone else remember hearing that or is it an myth I am perpetuating? If so, my apologies. If true, we are very lucky to be among such a diverse population here in puna.

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#2
From a person that works for the Census:

"I know for a fact that the census has never asked about a person's sexual preference EVER" DT


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#3
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Originally posted by Devany

From a person that works for the Census:

"I know for a fact that the census has never asked about a person's sexual preference EVER" DT



My apologies. It was a myth, but a good one, eh?

Anyway, I still want to congratulate the lovely gay and lesbian community in getting the start on this long overdue law going. Now hopefully it will continue until you are fully equal to all of the heterosexual majority and all of the other minorities who have had to push every small step toward their own civil rights. In the US the gays are the last minority without full rights that the rest of us enjoy. Really way overdue.
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#4
I believe that civil unions will be available to people other than same sex couples so calling it Gay Civil Unions might be incorrect. But I will welcome its passage by the legislature and signing into law by the governor. As a heterosexual married man I see no effect of civil unions on my marriage and wish nothing but the best to those who might take advantage of the new law.
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#5
I read somewhere in the last week or so that someone in the state legislature was trying to amend the bill to exclude heterosexual couples from making civil unions. I hope that got squashed. It is just semantics anyway. I found it silly when Bob and I found ourselves in what I thought was an unusual situation. The Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages. We were not married in the church (because I am a proud heretic) but our son wanted to take first communion with his class at school so we had to have him baptized and for that Bob and I had to be remarried in the church. UGH. According to them, we were living in sin, had an illegitimate child and were about to be finally saved!!! Josh (our son) was put in the parochial school because the public school could not find a spot for him. He read at 3, so when he went to kindergarten at 4, they tried to put him in second grade. I was having none of that. The only ones who would let him sail academically but spend most of his time with his age appropriate group was the Catholic school. Even then, they had a waiting list to get into first grade, but they gave an entrance exam and took him right away. Even back then, for accreditation the numbers had to be good on standardized tests. He had a great time there for five years, at which time he completed the 8th grade at age 10. Ahem.... the rest is another story but my point is that Church standings should NEVER have had a voice in civil ceremonies of any kind. Civil marriage, Civil union, whatever. Let the protestant churches set their own standards and live with them. We should have nationally recognized civil marriages/unions/whatever an not just state to state. It is a sad commentary on our own nation and the issues of civil rights that this has to be an issue but I am very pleased to see this first step being taken. Hopefully we can bring ALL civil rights to ALL citizens in our lifetime. Thanks for listening to my rant. It is certainly a pet peeve.... go figure!

Oh, by the way, my husband is Catholic. The priest refused to marry us because I was a heretic. He used a Universal Life Church minister for our 'first" marriage and it is the only one WE recognize or celebrate. So how did I get married in the Church? I lied, pure and simple. Not proud of it but it solved the problem at the time and didn't mean a thing to me!

I guess I just want to let all the brothers and sisters out there who are suffering with this know that a few of us have had tiny, slivers of experience with the process and are very pleased to see it being cleaned up. It's not done but it sure is started. Churches should have no voice in civil law regarding equality and civil rights.

(edited for spelling)

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#6
Put me down as a no for this bill. Please don't call me a bunch of names, I simply disagree with homosexuality.
Will it be OK for two college students, here for a few semesters, to get a civil union just to take advantage of our new law?
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#7
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Originally posted by kalama boy

Put me down as a no for this bill. Please don't call me a bunch of names, I simply disagree with homosexuality.
Will it be OK for two college students, here for a few semesters, to get a civil union just to take advantage of our new law?

How can anyone disagree with homosexuality?
I don't understand that sentence. Homosexuality is not a philosophical stance to agree with or disagree with. It is a sexuality. You can approve or disapprove, you can disagree with a lifestyle, but to disagree with a sexual identity I don't understand. It is or it isn't. You are or you aren't.

why would it matter if college students or tourists or anyone else can take advantage of this new law? It doesn't tred on any of your rights.

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#8
I could care less either way - but kalamaboy is simply expressing his opinion - and he has that right to do so.

I believe freedom of speech is what we call that?

Why are you attacking someone else's opinion?

Instead of attacking, why not try to enlighten them?

Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

Make your case in a rational manner.




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#9
See the post above. I think Orchidlandguy did try to explain it in a rational manner. No, I'm not Orchidlandguy. Smile
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#10
Mark, You are not a victim. There have been no attacks. I am not attacking you now.
To the topic. I wasn't going to post on this but I do think it's up to all of us who do, to support all oppressed people in their struggle for freedom. Sexuality is not a choice and it is not black and white. It's something that is fluid in all of us. One cannot be "against" homosexuality as it is a fact of nature as are all sexual norms or differences. Some people can't accept that fact as the yfind it threatening for whatever personal reason they may have. There are just too many examples of those railing against sexual differences while getting a "little" on the side. We are all fluid on that scale. Estimates are that 5% of the population is born firmly on the homosexual side of that scale. That's the will of nature. To deny those people rights is absurd.
I wish happiness, equality, and serenity to all the creatures of the universe.
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