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Originally posted by pslamont
As we saw for our entire lives in Califorina... Welfare Entitlement bas the backbone of massive poverty. It was just too easy to go on the government dole and skip learnint/working. I had a twenty something comment to me the other day "It's awful. They took away our food stamps. How are we going to live?'. Of course he drives a nice little pick-up truck with a custom flat bed back, wife has a lexus, they have two cell phones with internet and just installed cable in their place. Methinks there is a bit of confusion regarding the difference between want and need.
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hit the floor each morning, the devil says
"Oh Crap, She's up!"
What you offered was not truth, but an anecdote. While it is true that some people who get welfare either cheat on reporting income or live beyond their means, they are statistical outliers. The turth is that most people getting govenment assistance live in pretty dire circumstances.
Have you ever met someone on welfare that had none of those things? Why don't you go seek them out? And why do you not report that family to the welfare department? I suspect you do not because they do not exist.
And the devil is more likely annoyed by you than scared of you.
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good call pam,
"As we saw for our entire lives in Califorina... Welfare Entitlement was the backbone of massive poverty" industry
may we substitute industry? for poverty.... both sides, the recipients and providers are entangled in a fed supported generational industry they cant seem to break out of. How masters in social work programs are out there - what have said programs accomplished in the last 50 years in reducing poverty in hawaii? or anywhere else?
my first thought was "why not teach the kids to raise or farm the food for the lunch program" .... after we restore shop classes that introduced /taught a trade and the concept of work. That can help kids become self sufficient before they had more children themselves.... we seem to teach "dating 101" ok in the high schools - wood shop, value of labor etc - not so good - grin
edit a little clean up - i still cant talk on the phone and type and expect to do either well.... off to fit a harness - later
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Anecdotes abound.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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A union public worker, a tea party activist and a CEO sit down around a plate of a dozen cookies.
The CEO takes 11 cookies, then tells the tea party activist: "watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie"
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No anecdote. That conversation happened about two weeks ago here on the Big Island. The twenty-somethings are a product in Hawaii of what I saw in California for many years. Once a family stays on welfare or entitlement for a couple generations, the culture of poverty is established. Many in this position give up on hard work because it is easier to stay on a program than to get off the program. Go from welfare to a job and what happens? You lose your medical benefits, often start at a wage below your welfare benefits, have few or no skills, etc... In fact one of the major problems being faced today is high school girls becoming pregnant by choice to qualify for that welfare check. I am not claiming all teens do this, or that all 20 somethings make those decisions but unfortunately these situations are all too prevalent in our nation today.
This is a generation here in Hawaii and back in California that believe in entitlement. The world owes them a living... and a comfortable one at that.
Believe it or not I am actually quite liberal. I see Welfare as it exists today an opressive arm of the have's to keep the have nots dependent and easy to manipulate. it is sad.
I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says
"Oh Crap, She's up!"
I want to be the kind of woman that, when my feet
hit the floor each morning, the devil says
"Oh Crap, She's up!"
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Cut off corporate welfare too.
"They" are addicted too.
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Pam,
I saw many single moms in Oregon stuck on the horns of the welfare puzzle: do I take the low paying job that means after paying for childcare I will have the same income as on welfare, but no medical coverage for my kids, or do I stay on welfare, with the accompanying low self esteem, bad example for my kids, and endure the humiliation imposed by burnt out cynical case workers, but my kids will have medical coverage. The loss of the welfare check and food stamps were not the issue for these women, the lack of health care coverage for their kids was a HUGE issue though.
Before anyone jumps in and says that in an emergency the kids would be taken care of anyway, I experienced being turned away at an emergency room with a 3 year old with a split open head, severe bleeding, and what turned out to be a serious concussion, until my friend wrote the hospital a rubber check for $500, so the good Sisters of Charity at Sacred Heart Hospital would admit my daughter and get her head looked at. We spent 2 hours hassling with the billing people because I did not have insurance, or a credit card, while my daughter slipped in and out of consciousness and bled all over the floor. They would not even take her pulse until we paid them some money.
This is what the single moms on welfare I knew were afraid of, the choice between a life of soul sucking dependency, or a risking the lives of their kids in a medical emergency.
A sensible system would have covered the children of low wage workers whose employers don't provide access to health care benefits, so people can at least get onto the bottom rungs of the ladder of success. Sure, in an ideal world nobody would have kids until they have a solid financial setup, with medical benefits. But life isn't like that: fathers sometimes shirk their duties, people lose jobs and benefits, and sometimes pregnancies happen unplanned; but once the kids are here it would be cheaper in the long run to provide medical coverage so their moms aren't afraid to take a low paying job with no medical coverage.
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quote:
Originally posted by punaticbychoice
A union public worker, a tea party activist and a CEO sit down around a plate of a dozen cookies.
The CEO takes 11 cookies, then tells the tea party activist: "watch out for that union guy, he wants a piece of your cookie"
Let's not forget, it was the CEO that brought all the cookies.
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The CEO brought nothing to the table - just took, and took.
That's the point.
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quote:
Originally posted by punaticbychoice
The CEO brought nothing to the table - just took, and took.
That's the point.
That is America and "the great white way".
Give corporate America anything and they not only don't share, they find a way to take more away.
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