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Originally posted by Greg
Some people are always going to be pigs and some are always going to do service to their community. If you are doing service with the expectation that slobs will quickly change, you are in for a big disappointment. The efforts of the good folks that do cleanups are noticed and appreciated though! Mahalo!
It's sad to bring race or culture into the discussion. I feel the problem is probably more socio-economic at it's core. When you say things like; "I'll NEVER clean up THEIR **** again", referring to locals, you do a terrible disservice to the majority of local people who have higher standards, but are not as noticed as the litterers. You also do a disservice to those of us who have chosen to relocate here by further driving in the wedge that separates our cultures.
Better to go on doing the good deeds, setting the good example, and making a difference.
Correctly said Greg. I should be the better person and keep trying to make a difference. I just feel it different I guess. When I worked at a local dealership as a service writer, I could tell whose car was from the mainland, and whose were owned by the locals. Mainland cars that were owned by smokers had unsightly ashtrays. Local smokers had clean ashtrays. They didn't use them.... just out the window with them as I've viewed many times. Not trying to start any arguments at all here. Just MY views of living here for a while...... I do my part when I go to the beach or camping.... It is always cleaner when I leave it than I found it.
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I've also participated in cleanups and I've also seen how the trash consists for the most part of thousands upon thousands of cigarette butts. Changing that would be very difficult - a smoker has no problem poisoning his own body (and his own family) so why could he care a whit about the world around him? Raise the taxes on cigarettes to pay for the cleanup, I say.
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Mella, it's on Facebook.
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Well folks, I see this all the time, and speaking for myself and some of my fellow DLNR Officers, we have cited a number of folks and seen these cases go to court and some offenders fined. Unfortunately, when we come across dump sites on state DLNR land there is not always evidence that will lead to a culprit.
That said, if you find trash with identification on state land or in a state park, or identify someone dumping (license plates and description of occupants is usually enough), if you call 974-6208, be assured that we WILL investigate, and take appropriate action when possible.
Also be aware that to the extent possible, information will be kept confidential, but at times, for a prosecution to be successful, a witness may be required to testify.
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Difficult situation. The answer for me was to stop caring. I started picking up trash there with a dead cat that I just couldn't ignor any longer. It grew from there and I bought a trailer for my small tractor and made it a weekly or so deal. I'd guess some of you saw me and further guess yours were some of the thumbs-up I got from time to time. Thanks. I got completely fed up with the local mind-set there and moved back. This was long after I stopped picking up trash and I noticed it got really bad for a while, and then noticed some other haole was out there picking it up.
Any of you remember the council member who proposed charging a dump fee at the transfer station? Talk about being out of touch with the local world!
Guess I'd have to say correcting this behavior will be a long haul and has to start with children, but it's so near impossible to retrain from what they watch their parents do every day. If not for the highway related safety issues, I'd propose you residents there loby to hault some phys-ed programs in lieu of highway shoulder clean-up field trips. That would get the message to kids and parents.
And by the way, the worst offenders in my neighborhood were the children of the worst offenders - go figure.
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too bad we couldn't just have regular citizens that had the power to write tickets for people throwing garbage on the ground. Hell, I'd volunteer for free!
But like others here the only way you can break the cycle is by somehow educating the next generation to figure out what a trash can is and how to use it.
