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Originally posted by punafish
Um, yes, proper training and socialization are necessary. But even letting your "trained and socialized" dogs loose is inconsiderate of people who don't know your dog is trained and socialized, or worse, folks who are afraid of dogs. My dogs love people. But I don't let them loose outside the yard because I respect the feelings of others. The real solution is people having empathy and consideration of people around them.
I think we can agree to disagree on collectivism being the solution to the worlds problems. I think what "matters" is what the law says.(really what matters is not physically aggressing against someone, you or your dog.) No doubt Hank will one day live in a world where he will never get to run his full 35 MPH next to my motorcycle, or play fetch. I am scared ****less of this future, please have empathy and consideration for the people around you.
Im sure if we can just achieve enough Control over everything, the world will be a perfect problem free place. /s
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Our dog does run her full out 20-30 mph...on a leash, hauling my fat a.. around the neighborhood on a bike with a special walking device....
We also can NEVER let our dog loose, with no leash or fence...even though she is now fairly well trained & has gotten socialized... many reasons for this: she is deaf, so there is no vocal recall. She was horribly abused, so shock-collar systems do not work quite the same...
Another reason?? there are people in the area that do not think eating domestic animals is totally out of line...and some local loose animals are rumored to have been dinner elsewhere... not my priorities, but I do understand what is not done in MY culture background is not universal in my neighborhood...
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afwjam,
Just what am I supposed to do about these supposed adults who bring their dog to an area where many people walk their dogs (mostly on leash or very close to them) and refuse to leash their dog, or even pay attention to what it is doing? I consistently ask them to please call off their dog and explain that neither I or my dogs know that their dog is "a good dog" when it is stalking us. The dog is not really the problem, but while I am in charge of training my students in how to be reasonable conscious people who don't abuse the rights of others, I am not a self appointed teacher of the world, much less adults who are older than me.
With personal freedom comes responsibility, these folks abuse the first by not taking the second.
Carol
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Originally posted by afwjam
No doubt Hank will one day live in a world where he will never get to run his full 35 MPH next to my motorcycle,
That sounds very dangerous to have your dog running next to a motorcycle going 35 mph.
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DanielP - The problem with moving is you will NEVER know for sure who will move in right after you move....and that pins the solution to always moving away from a problem...NOT IN ENFORCING THE LAWS...
Carey,
I think that Mailes highest priority is to look after his/her own psychological wellbeing, Not training the police. Pau
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Originally posted by csgray
afwjam,
Just what am I supposed to do about these supposed adults who bring their dog to an area where many people walk their dogs (mostly on leash or very close to them) and refuse to leash their dog, or even pay attention to what it is doing? I consistently ask them to please call off their dog and explain that neither I or my dogs know that their dog is "a good dog" when it is stalking us. The dog is not really the problem, but while I am in charge of training my students in how to be reasonable conscious people who don't abuse the rights of others, I am not a self appointed teacher of the world, much less adults who are older than me.
With personal freedom comes responsibility, these folks abuse the first by not taking the second.
Carol
If they are breaking the law, call the police. Its a tricky situation, you have every right to defend yourself and if they attempt to hurt you or your property ,you have a right to damages. Since it seems to be a continuing problem and there is no definite damages or wrongs committed yet(unless there is a leash law,I don't know about HPP) I would try and further open a line of communication, you can start with the dog if you feel more comfortable that way. This might be a great opportunity to socialize your dog with theirs and you socialize with them. Maybe through this enhanced communication, lets call it "Friendship", you might be able to persuade them more to your word view on these issues in the future. In the meantime it sounds like a non-issue since nobody has actually been hurt or property damaged.
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
I disagree that "proper training and socialization is the only solution".
This topic is about pit bulls coming onto someone's property. You need a fence to keep yourself and your dogs safe from the unleashed aggressive dogs.
I certainly do not think a fence is substitute for socialization and training.
Also, even the best trained dog if unleashed can have instincts override training.
I have done the obedience training and have passed the Canine Good Citizen from AKC. My one dog is a therapy dog. However, even though they are well trained, they still need a fence to protect them as well as to keep them safe from roaming.
Thus, both proper training, socialization and secure fencing as well as walking your dogs on leashes is what I consider responsible dog ownership.
I never want to have pit bulls come into my property and attack myself or my dogs. No amount of training prevents attacks.
The best solution in this situation would have been for mailes to have had a gun(and trained with it) to defend themselves.
Accidents happen, **** goes wrong, it always will no matter how much you try and control it, life is risky.(the police cant always protect you.) What happened to mailes was already against the law and it still happened. Non of this changes the fact that these dogs would benefit the most from training and socialization. The owner of the dogs already claims to be complying by tying up their dogs. (sounds like loose dogs maybe illegal in HPP) The best thing for everybody and the dogs is for them to be properly trained and socialized. Accidents will still happen, but I believe we have a much higher chance of dying a fiery death in a car accident then in a dog attack. If there is a leash law in HPP, what more can YOU do?(hint: Defend yourself.)
edit: you could also befriend the owners of the dogs and convince them to train and socialize, or maybe if they wont do that, at least follow the leash law.(if there is one)
Or maybe we could make the laws stricter and have the person arrested and thrown in jail and the dogs in the pound. Yeah, that will help! /s
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Originally posted by hawaiideborah
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Originally posted by afwjam
No doubt Hank will one day live in a world where he will never get to run his full 35 MPH next to my motorcycle,
That sounds very dangerous to have your dog running next to a motorcycle going 35 mph.
Usually people just tell me Im going to die on the motorcycle, thank you for bringing to my attention and Hanks that there is risk involved in our motorcycle runs. We will try and live a little less next time, so we can keep living...
“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
" In the meantime it sounds like a non-issue since nobody has actually been hurt or property damaged. "
Ugh ...
Carol,
I think you should walk right next to these people with your leashed dog and stay there 'till when they call their dogs in .. I bet it will be an eye opener for them and bolster your case.
aloha,
pog
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