Hwy. 130 & Leilani - Fatality

[laniA]

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Originally posted by underarock

It was only a matter of time. I have idiots from Leilani pull out right in front of me at least 3 days a week. Don't they know the cars are coming at 55 mph. It's not a matter of no seeing me.

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If only some retards who don't have a job didn't move 20mph!
"Anokea"?Pull to the side you $$f..ing idiot!

[Bullwinkle]

When driving in those little crazy countries in Europe all traffic coming in from the right has right of way unless marked with "our" triangles.

Traffic from the right always assumed having right of way as well when driving a boat or aircraft. Or any where else while driving it seems. Want some fun try some of the brit territories right hand streering making a left turn............ hurts ones head just trying to work the angles.....

Our us traffic laws (and the britts) the aberration imho- take some getting used to

Soooooooooo when following a rental that slows for every intersection.... most likely from somewhere else where they control speed on the major arteries leading to the trans Europe autobahns etc. By allowing folks to merge into traffic. (ever ride in a 150 mph diesel? they do that as well.. time and place for everything being the concept me thinks.

There is more to learn than just round abouts.............. in managing traffic and fatalities, this just another example - sorry for the loss of life ----- inexcusable

[LeeE]

We are saddened and shocked at the loss of our friend, Bo Lozoff. He was a wonderful person and a great musical artist. Our hearts go out to his family and close friends.

May his memory be a blessing.

Lee Eisenstein
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event

"Be kinder than necessary, as everyone you meet is engaged in some kind of strudel."

[Green]

Riding a motorcycle on this island is taking your life in your hands,

[KeaauRich]

Riding a *car* on this island is taking your life in your hands...

[PaulW]

Hawaii ranks 18th:
http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank39.html
Surprisingly (to me), Montana is number 1 in fatalities.

Please consider wearing a helmet.

[shave_ice]

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Originally posted by PaulW

Hawaii ranks 18th:
http://www.census.gov/statab/ranks/rank39.html
Surprisingly (to me), Montana is number 1 in fatalities.

Please consider wearing a helmet.

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I'm from Montana. Unfortunately, that statistic doesn't surprise me at all. I guess after perusing these boards I have been surprised that people think the accidents around here are really that bad, but sadly I guess that is because I am from a state where it's even worse. It wouldn't be uncommon to read in the newspaper about people getting their 7th, 8th, and 9th DUIs and for some inexplicable reason they would still be driving. They shouldn't be allowed to drive after their first imo.

[oink]

For the most part the trend seems to be that the more rural states have more fatalities. I'm guessing that's due to more rural two lane roads traveled at higher speeds and less enforcement.

Pua`a
S. FL
Big Islander to be.

[Midnight Rambler]

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Originally posted by Bullwinkle

When driving in those little crazy countries in Europe all traffic coming in from the right has right of way unless marked with "our" triangles.

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One of the things that struck me most about Hawaii is that most drivers here have no concept of right-of-way, even when they have it.

[KeaauRich]

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One of the things that struck me most about Hawaii is that most drivers here have no concept of right-of-way, even when they have it.

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There are a couple of factors at play here.

First, Hawaii traffic rules are inconsistent with the rest of the US and with itself: In some cases traffic turning right from the right lane has to yield to opposing traffic turning left across traffic -- in other cases (as is traditional almost everywhere else in the US) the traffic turning right has the right of way, and the lefty turners have to wait it out.

Second, many people think the spirit of aloha should trump traffic rights of way, so they yield their right of way to others - like people going straight across an intersection yielding to opposing cars turning left or people turning left across main road traffic yielding to people turning left onto the main road of traffic. Since no one knows what the other person is doing, no one does anything or everyone tries to move simultaneously.

Finally, a large segment of the population thinks that traffic laws don't apply to them, so they speed, ignore traffic signs and signals, or drive on shoulders when the main lane of traffic is too slow for their liking. Again, when people disobeying traffic standards surprise those driving properly, it frequently doesn't end well...

I grew up driving in New Jersey, home of some of the worst driving in the nation, but at least there everyone drove consistently bad, so you could compensate and drive relatively safely. Here, I am like the Pope, bending down to kiss the groud every time I arrive at my destination safely.