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Roundabout in Pahoa?
#41
If tunnels don't work, we could build a lovely overpass--that would drive property values up.

We planned to buy in HPP when we moved here. We are very glad we rented first, in HPP, Hawaiian Beaches, and Kapoho. We just couldn't stand driving 130, so bought in Mountain View instead.

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#42
Drainage in our soils isn't so much a large issue as it would be in dirt or solid rock tunnels. If you note; we don't have any streams or rivers down here. That's because there's not enough dirt/fines to clog the ground surface in order to support a river or stream. Granted, we do get isolated puddles but in those few cases, we've enough fines within that small area to induce temporary “ponding” (such areas can be easily fixed - like those two on Pahoa Village road south lane). A basic crushed base under the tunnel roadway accompanied by roadside grates would more than suffice a natural base drainage system through the ground with no need for drain pipes. This again is a rare natural advantage found in our soils here.
At this time, 130 is not restricted traffic wise in the topic area. It’s a full right of way for none stop travel. When the roundabout is installed, it will become a 24/7 yield zone and the 130 traffic will no longer have unrestricted flow through that area, this causing more cars to compile in that area at a given moment. We will then encounter backups on 130 in that area, whereas now we have no slowdowns let alone backups. It will prove a major hindrance to those who travel through that area on 130.


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#43
The meeting in Pahoa on 16JAN was disappointing to me on several levels. Embarrassing, even. While there were some present (on all sides of the issue) who spoke articulately and courteously --quite notably Elizabeth Weatherford-- there were also quite a few individuals who were foul-mouthed and discourteous. The general tenor of the crowd as a whole, unfortunately, reinforced the latter rather than the former.

Yes, there are all sorts of technical and economic arguments to be made on all sides. Yes, the overall process and the meeting on the 16th might have been improved with a different format and procedures (and an AV system which actually worked). Even so, I think we who live in Puna did not occupy the high ground in this discussion in any regard simply because of the intemperate manner in which so many comments were made and the unconstructive way much if not most of the crowd behaved. There is a significant difference between impassioned comment and idiotic vulgarity.

Instead of being a useful interaction with the bureaucrats and constituting a dialogue in which there was a genuine listening for concerns and alternatives, the presenters' body language reflected how they were swiftly closing ranks and tuning out that which was being said. By showing such egregious disrespect for the presenters many residents of Puna quickly lost whatever respect the presenters may have had for their comments. Indeed, within a matter of minutes it seemed to me the meeting had become a sad farce reinforcing a stereotype of crazed Punatics ranting inconsequentially. The defensive bureaucrats lockstepped through a slideshow simply in order to complete the legally-required checklist item of holding a public meeting. Yelling "F**K" this and "F**K" that, rudely and repeatedly interrupting, derisive mocking, and making personal attacks scored no positive points for Puna on this issue.

Matters were not helped that the presenters (state and county road bureaucrats and the hired project consultant) appeared conspicuously all of the same ethnic group, being very stone-faced and reserved, while speakers from the remarkably ethnically diverse crowd tended to actually physically advance toward the presenters in an aggressive manner, pointing fingers & gesticulating wildly in the air, shouting over the speakers' replies even before they had completed (or in some cases begun) answering. Especially when ethnically distinct groups are interacting it pays to make an extra effort toward courtesy, respect, and politeness -opening the possibility of a genuine dialogue, building mutual respect and understanding rather than shutting it down entirely. Actually, not only did a noisy portion of the audience shout over the presenters but they also prevented other audience members from equal time in asking questions and making comments; unless one was willing to be as rude as those dominating the discussion then it was all but impossible to get a word or question in edgewise. Elizabeth only managed to make her comment because the speaker had called upon her raised hand at random and then insisted repeatedly for quiet.

I appreciate the often colorful character and diverse nature of Puna; this diversity is part of why I choose to live as part of this eclectic community. I do not, however, appreciate slovenly conduct in public meetings. It is self-defeating. Those who seek to play us like a fish on the line &/or disregard the validity of our comments, though, have a very easy task indeed when a generally uncouth crew representing our community shows up and behaves as many individuals did on 16JAN.


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#44
Interesting too see the "jobs" issue raised -- dumb question: will these "jobs" translate into actual employment for residents, or will the contractor bring in an off-island crew?
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#45
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Originally posted by PaulW

I'll put more trust in the people who do this for a living than armchair experts and failed psychics, thank you.
I have been through that intersection at least 30 times in the last month and the roundabout will be a huge improvement, in my opinion. We shall see.


I'd agree except the people who have decided on the roundabout are the same ones who designed the wacky intersection it's replacing
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#46
One of the largest problems for Puna as well as other regions on the island is the simple lack of planning. Typically in an area as large as the Big Island there would be incorporated townships/cities. Each would have a planning department and that department would be effective in planning within its jurisdiction with a master plan. Any interaction with the State and or Federal level would be negotiated through the aforementioned planning department so as to enhance the pre determined master plan. Since we lack a planning department that is solely responsible for our area we don’t have solid plans and that leaves Pahoa wide open for improper improvements regarding our needs. Unlike the Big Island, the rest of the Counties in the State are within a “stone’s throw” of every shoreline relative to their planning department. There’s a close relationship with their domain. How can we expect the COH planning department to effectively serve the whole island with a master plan for every vast region we have here? In a nut shell it’s not practical and as has been proven here time and time again, a recipe for neglect. The county is far too diluted. There are many areas on this island that are in need of one thing or another.

Again, a typical County this size has incorporated townships with their own planning departments and while the townships deal with their own development the County is left to manage the areas between the townships and that reduces the burden on the County to those areas that are typically only rural and sparsely populated. This is how proper development occurs. I was in the business for over 30 years and I see clear fundamental problems here. Until we establish a representative body with a sole purpose of focusing on Puna we will continue to experience largely ineffective improvements within this area. We may as well toss any notion of a sound infrastructure out the window.


We have no-one to look at our area and begin to outline new zones that also has the authority to plan here accompanied by a daily experience in living here. That is a major portion of the representation we lack.


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#47
I have a very detailed map of the projected plans for Highway 130 dated January, 2010 that extends from the zipper to Pahoa. It was given out at a meeting in Orchidland by presenters from the DOT. This map shows a roundabout at Kahakai and right in right out at Old Pahoa Road. When did this change? I wanted to attended the meeting and ask but was not able to make it.

Does anyone know what other changes have been made or where I can find current information? My searches have provided no info.

Another interesting note, at a meeting with (know nothing) bureaucrats in Keaau a while back they denied that a roundabout was under consideration for Pahoa. But I got the feeling that these people had never even been to Puna before.

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#48
DING DING DING. As the County is out of touch with the needs of its "townships" (subdivisions), so the State is out of touch with the needs of the County.

I've seen the State Highway Drama before; it doesn't end well.
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#49
The Kahakai roundabout is still in the plan. To me, it makes no sense to have one practically on top of the other, but of course I'm not the great traffic engineer who designed the Kea'au Bypass...
Anyway the map has been printed in the classified section of the Trib Herald under Legal Notices. The one I have was the Jan. 8th issue, so you can go into their archives. If that fails, try emailing steven.yoshida@hawaii.gov.
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#50
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Originally posted by Wao nahele kane

One of the largest problems for Puna as well as other regions on the island is the simple lack of planning. Typically in an area as large as the Big Island there would be incorporated townships/cities. Each would have a planning department and that department would be effective in planning within its jurisdiction with a master plan. Any interaction with the State and or Federal level would be negotiated through the aforementioned planning department so as to enhance the pre determined master plan. Since we lack a planning department that is solely responsible for our area we don’t have solid plans and that leaves Pahoa wide open for improper improvements regarding our needs. Unlike the Big Island, the rest of the Counties in the State are within a “stone’s throw” of every shoreline relative to their planning department. There’s a close relationship with their domain. How can we expect the COH planning department to effectively serve the whole island with a master plan for every vast region we have here? In a nut shell it’s not practical and as has been proven here time and time again, a recipe for neglect. The county is far too diluted. There are many areas on this island that are in need of one thing or another.

Again, a typical County this size has incorporated townships with their own planning departments and while the townships deal with their own development the County is left to manage the areas between the townships and that reduces the burden on the County to those areas that are typically only rural and sparsely populated. This is how proper development occurs. I was in the business for over 30 years and I see clear fundamental problems here. Until we establish a representative body with a sole purpose of focusing on Puna we will continue to experience largely ineffective improvements within this area. We may as well toss any notion of a sound infrastructure out the window.

E ho'a'o no i pau kuhihewa.

My sentiments, exactly. Well stated!
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