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Exactly. The board members didn't put themselves into office; you did.
It's grass roots democracy. The person with the most votes is in.
The thousands of property owners who didn't participate are directly to blame. I don't know the exact number of votes garnered in the last election, but would bet that participation was less than 10-15% of the people eligible to vote.
So if there are 6900 property owners (HPPOA info), I would blame the six thousand who don't bother to get involved rather than the several who have stepped up.
I'm not in HPP, by the way, but have been involved in my own neighborhood POA, and have heard the same thing;
"They're just egomaniacs"
"Did you vote or run"?
"Hell no, I don't have time for that"!
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Greg, you are correct to lay a great deal of blame on those who do not participate. That does not, however, give those in office a free ride when it comes to accountability. Refusing to recuse oneself as an official in an election in which one is a candidate shows a stunning lack of character and good sense. It's that ego thing again.
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That's a nice stretch. Good effort.
Does not really address the integrity of the people who willingly put themselves on the ballot, however, regardless of who (or who didn't) vote for them. (Sort of makes me think of the 'guilty until proven innocent' parallel, for some reason... hmnnn....)
I do appreciate your angle. And think it's somewhat creative. And also agree that not enough people vote. Everywhere. That's a lot of blame we should be casting over onto the general populace, for our leaders failures. (I admit I am a bit ticked about my neighbor starting those wars... come to think of it.)
But back to HPPOA: if you can't cook, get outa the kitchen, and definitely don't let yourself get put onto the menu (read ballot). That is a free choice thing.
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The HPPOA President did not conduct the election.
This is an untrue story started by other board members.
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Rainshadow,
You say: "if you can't cook, get outa the kitchen"
I say that if the chef can't cook, it's up to the restaurant owners to fire him/her.
If they don't, they have no one to blame but themselves.
It IS a free choice thing.
Edit; By the way, you will be seeking a board position, right?
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quote:
Originally posted by hppmary
The HPPOA President did not conduct the election.
This is an untrue story started by other board members.
Did not the League of Women Voters receive and count the votes, and merely hand the results to the Board President? I do not see how that could have changed the outcome.
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quote:
Originally posted by hppmary
The HPPOA President did not conduct the election.
This is an untrue story started by other board members.
the facts show the current president was running for re-election to the board and called most if not all of the shots in the election process...
ethics, recuseing one self from the ENTIRE process, is the only acceptable action for a candidate in an election...
conflict of interest rears its ugly head!
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@greg - problem is, the 'chefs' in this case are lot owners, and the 'owners' are HPPOA. At what point do the chefs fire the owners?
Again, your focus is valid concerning voting, but your emphasis is somewhat misguided due to the issues continually being brought up in this thread.
Running? Nope. Not my kuleana. But I respect that you are involved in your own area. Good work on that.
Now, back to the ethics (not voting) task at hand...
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quote:
Originally posted by Frank
the facts show the current president was running for re-election to the board and called most if not all of the shots in the election process...ethics, recuseing one self from the ENTIRE process, is the only acceptable action for a candidate in an election...conflict of interest rears its ugly head!
I do agree that to eliminate any appearance of impropriety, the President should not have touched them at all.
But did that change the vote at all? A censoring of the President might be applicable.
As I understand the people who mailed out the ballots, who were non-board members, were very circumspect to the balloting process.
HPP members might dislike the board, but I would like to ask that you treat the office staff, who works hard, with a little more respect and a lot more ALOHA.
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quote:
Originally posted by Laughing_girl
quote:
Originally posted by Frank
the facts show the current president was running for re-election to the board and called most if not all of the shots in the election process...ethics, recuseing one self from the ENTIRE process, is the only acceptable action for a candidate in an election...conflict of interest rears its ugly head!
I do agree that to eliminate any appearance of impropriety, the President should not have touched them at all. But did that change the vote at all? A censoring of the President might be applicable.
As I understand the people who mailed out the ballots, who were non-board members, were very circumspect to the balloting process.
HPP members might dislike the board, but I would like to ask that you treat the office staff, who works hard, with a little more respect and a lot more ALOHA.
and I would like the office staff to treat hppoa members with a little more respect and a hell of a lot more ALOHA. the staff work for US!!..not the board!
