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Costco on the East side
#61

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So some guy climbed a corporate ladder, good for him and many many more are struggling to keep their small businesses open because of that one store. Should we all just give up an go start pushing carts at Costco? Go work for the place that we spend most of our money at? That doesn't sound sustainable. Is Costco even offering up that many management jobs? How about cart pushing jobs? Good thing we don't all have the same ambitions.

Local businesses care about profit, of course, this is a capitalist society and they have bills to pay, but they also tend to care more about their community. Where as, if you look to areas of the U.S. that have let big box stores take hold you get the Los Angeles effect. Sprawl and more sprawl with strip malls, chain stores, office park, artery clogging fast food restaurants and malls. The landscape gets paved over and all the mom and pop businesses that open close just as fast. Reminds me of the time I spent in the suburbs of Atlanta. A new strip mall would be built, mom and pop stores would move in and do barely any business then the spaces would go vacant. The area was mile upon mile of empty strip malls because every mile there is a walmart. With in a half mile of walmart is a Sams club. Plus there are several Costcos in there as well. None of that money comes back to the community. In fact, all that money spent gets sent right out of the country. So these corporate entities have no obligation to the community. Local businesses do have a very real obligation on the other hand because the owners usually live in that area and have to interact with the people of the area. So they must be fair or they risk going out of business and into debt.

Also it should be noted that not everyone wants to work at Costco or Sams club. Some people don't want to rise to the level of middle management and call that a life because they know what they love to do. Some people love to be in direct connection with their community. Some people want to own a business and don't want to be pushed out by a monopoly that is to big to care.These people who put love back into a community in a direct and real way are the salt of the earth. It is actually illegal in the U.S. to run a monopoly and these big box stores destroy communities and the environment physically and mentally. In Atlanta the suburbs are generally 10 degrees hotter than the city because of the vast expanses of parking where a natural landscape used to exist. You could even go to five starbucks without leaving a single parking lot and they all have drive throughs so you don't even have to get out of the car. Cars make the air unbreathable because of traffic. It is not necessary to create an environment that perpetuates laziness and sheepish behavior. This is what these big boxes do. They get an inch and take a mile. They are a cancer in this world. They thrive on greed, gluttony and laziness. They suck the soul out of being a human on earth.
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So the wages that Big Box employees get is all sent to the mainland? None of this money is spent locally? And Big Box stores never get their inventory locally? Why do all the fruit trees at Walmart have PlantItHawaii labels on them?

Funny how the Left is always full of ideas on how the rest of us should live.

How about this, you shop where you want to shop, and I'll shop where I want to shop.

-Veritas odium parit”(Terence 195–159 BC))-"Truth begets hatred".
-Veritas odium parit”(Terence 195–159 BC))-"Truth begets hatred".
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#62
I enjoy hearing different peoples philosophy of shopping. Trade to me is a remarkable thing that us people do. All the world over people are engaged in trade. Economics is fundamentally all about trade. Money. The people who control the trade control the wealth.

The biggest news going on right now in the world is the World Trade Organization and the deal making they are doing all over the world.
The Nelson Mandela funeral was a stop on the trail while the WTO advanced its agenda in a huge meeting in Indonesia.

And who is the WTO? As near as I could research out it came out of WWII. The same meetings that created Israel and redrew country boundaries all over the world also somehow were tied in to it with the US and the UK being the leaders of what became the WTO.

Excuse me for being vague here. The information kind of leaves out the fact that there are individual human beings behind this and who the hell are they? Just like trying to research who owns GE or BP you get a list of board members. That means what?

Why am I going on here like this? Like it or not the real action is not the US right now. We the people are the official Launchpad for trade monopolization that is a worldwide event. The same stores we are arguing about here are going international. We are as always pawns in a bigger game.
What is going on now is truly huge as the real business of using us to really secure the big wealth. With that in mind I still would shop at Costco. Walmart is a best buy for automotive stuff.
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#63
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Organization

Nothing to do with Nelson Mandela, GE, BP, Costco in East Hawaii or (here we go again) Israel.
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#64
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Originally posted by sputnut

Owning your own business is no picnic. I prefer it anyway.
That aside, why can't they run a costco on catchment? They would have a HUGE roof and could use underground tanks for nicer appearance, UV and charcoal filters for purity, is there some county reg against it or what?

comin' your way soon!


With Costco's deep pockets, isn't possible to bring the county water in?

The only thing I see catchment water being an issue is for the butcher, drinking water, and the food court. It's theoretically possible but would require frequent testing/monitoring.
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#65
Quote Kalakoa;

"Further off-topic ... all that "land next to the bank along the highway in Keaau" is zoned commercial, with a paved road and a hefty HELCO feed ...

... but there's no County water available -- which limits the usefulness enough that no developer will bother, despite the "proper zoning" and paved access."
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Do you mean the CU Hawaii on the Ke'eau bypass?

They have County water there.
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#66
My take is ... Just be happy they have a costco on this island. If they put one on the east side I'd never drive over to the west side as much. So, that's kinda cool. Smile Day at the Beach... And a costco trip! how cool is that? It's like a little mini vacation. Besides every time we go we end up spending way too much and when we get the car home we always wonder why we bought this or that. Smile So, we would never go more than we go now even if they did have on on this side.
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#67
Interesting comments. Never sure where the information comes from. Think about the comment on no water by CU Hwaii. Does anyone really think the County would have allowed fire hydrants installed without County water? Could Christian Liberty have zoning for a school with catchment? Suffice it to say that there may be size and configuration issues but no utility issues.
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#68
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Originally posted by terracore

With Costco's deep pockets, isn't possible to bring the county water in?

If they wanted to, sure, but why would they want to? They already have a store on the Big island.

All this speculation over nothing. Kea'au does not fit their profile. Walmart, maybe, but not Costco. Here's part of a fascinating series of articles in Bloomberg about the vast ocean of differences between Costco and Walmart:

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Costco really is a store where affluent, high-socioeconomic status households occasionally buy huge quantities of goods on the cheap: That’s Costco's business strategy (which is why its stores are pretty much found in affluent near-in suburbs). Wal-Mart, however, is mostly a store where low-income people do their everyday shopping.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-08-27...ostco.html

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#69
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Do you mean the CU Hawaii on the Ke'eau bypass?

They have County water there.


County water line goes down Milo street, CU has a corner lot which fronts Milo. They were able to do this because their usage is an "office" and not "open to the public". There is not enough water for any production use or public restrooms.

Ulupono street is a platted lot owned by County and zoned Commercial. Unlike other "road-shaped lots", this one is not dedicated as a "roadway".
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#70
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Originally posted by Cagary



So some guy climbed a corporate ladder, good for him and many many more are struggling to keep their small businesses open because of that one store. Should we all just give up an go start pushing carts at Costco? Go work for the place that we spend most of our money at? That doesn't sound sustainable. Is Costco even offering up that many management jobs? How about cart pushing jobs? Good thing we don't all have the same ambitions.

Local businesses care about profit, of course, this is a capitalist society and they have bills to pay, but they also tend to care more about their community. Where as, if you look to areas of the U.S. that have let big box stores take hold you get the Los Angeles effect. Sprawl and more sprawl with strip malls, chain stores, office park, artery clogging fast food restaurants and malls. The landscape gets paved over and all the mom and pop businesses that open close just as fast. Reminds me of the time I spent in the suburbs of Atlanta. A new strip mall would be built, mom and pop stores would move in and do barely any business then the spaces would go vacant. The area was mile upon mile of empty strip malls because every mile there is a walmart. With in a half mile of walmart is a Sams club. Plus there are several Costcos in there as well. None of that money comes back to the community. In fact, all that money spent gets sent right out of the country. So these corporate entities have no obligation to the community. Local businesses do have a very real obligation on the other hand because the owners usually live in that area and have to interact with the people of the area. So they must be fair or they risk going out of business and into debt.

Also it should be noted that not everyone wants to work at Costco or Sams club. Some people don't want to rise to the level of middle management and call that a life because they know what they love to do. Some people love to be in direct connection with their community. Some people want to own a business and don't want to be pushed out by a monopoly that is to big to care.These people who put love back into a community in a direct and real way are the salt of the earth. It is actually illegal in the U.S. to run a monopoly and these big box stores destroy communities and the environment physically and mentally. In Atlanta the suburbs are generally 10 degrees hotter than the city because of the vast expanses of parking where a natural landscape used to exist. You could even go to five starbucks without leaving a single parking lot and they all have drive throughs so you don't even have to get out of the car. Cars make the air unbreathable because of traffic. It is not necessary to create an environment that perpetuates laziness and sheepish behavior. This is what these big boxes do. They get an inch and take a mile. They are a cancer in this world. They thrive on greed, gluttony and laziness. They suck the soul out of being a human on earth.
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So the wages that Big Box employees get is all sent to the mainland? None of this money is spent locally? And Big Box stores never get their inventory locally? Why do all the fruit trees at Walmart have PlantItHawaii labels on them?

Funny how the Left is always full of ideas on how the rest of us should live.

How about this, you shop where you want to shop, and I'll shop where I want to shop.

-Veritas odium parit”(Terence 195–159 BC))-"Truth begets hatred".
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Well if you put a sticker on it it must be the truth!

How do you know I am "left"? Stereotype much? You realize we are not talking about politics, right? I don't support any of the elephant and donkey show.
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