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it would be a minor inconvenience. Lava cools, then bulldozed scrapes it away and you wont have to use Gov Rd to get to Target for that long. Lava flows average 3' thick...
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
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I live near the ocean in HPP. I'll start worrying about it when it gets in my backyard
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have read it takes the lava long, long time to cool the crust acting as a very good insulator (see lava tubes)
ferry's work - maybe a supply barge as well - especially with state and federal emergency funding....
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Originally posted by bananahead
it would be a minor inconvenience. Lava cools, then bulldozed scrapes it away and you wont have to use Gov Rd to get to Target for that long. Lava flows average 3' thick...
Good point, however, I doubt anyone would be bulldozing a road over an active lava tube. I suspect until the flow stops there would be no road. Frankly, if the flow lasts long enough to get across 13, it would likely flow quickly down the slope that HPP and HB are built on and block any lower roads as well. Of course, it's not likely that the flow will last long enough to get there. At the other end of the probability spectrum, there's a possibility the flow will last long enough to create a new lava tour business much closer to Hilo. Here's hoping it doesn't come to that.
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Originally posted by DanielP
[quote]Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
How can something so blatantly obvious never have been planned for?
And your plan was?
I'm off-grid so electricity is not an issue, drinking water can be through catchment if need be. We've plenty of room for helicopter landings in several locations. An inflatable zodiac with outboard Pohoiki or Kapoho launching etc. There are several options.
My question is not posed to the general public and what individuals will do as many have already come up with plans. My question is posed as a County/State level issue.
Is the county prepared to possibly lose the power provided from the geothermal plant? Does the County currently have adequate ingress/egress available and have they provided themselves with the time necessary to make more options available should it be necessary? Are there viable last measure alternatives in place such as a couple places to provide ferry services?
This is something to think about. If the County/State ignores the issue, it becomes easier to declare a State of emergency to collect federal funding. But with that comes needless suffering by many in lower Puna.
So do we as a district allow the County/State to kick back and pull a New Orleans or do we call them to the mat on the issues now?
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"a minor inconvenience" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Hopefully the bus can pick people up on the other side of the flow. I have ridden down beach road before and would do it again.
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Most of the state papaya production is south of Pahoa, as well as a large percentage of the cut flower industry. With all of the large transport helicopters available at the military bases on Oahu, the state and federal government are not going to let businesses with large investments hang out to dry.
Even in Ecuador, when workers tried to implement a national transportation strike by blocking all major roads (and they succeeded) their national government sent Huey helicopters to the rose and carnation farms to fly product to Quito. Huey helicopters courtesy of US Congress approval.
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Originally posted by afwjam
Hopefully the bus can pick people up on the other side of the flow. I have ridden down beach road before and would do it again.
We drove the beach road 3 years ago in a jeep between HPP and the Beaches, it was a PITA but doable. They should at the very least punch the road back through again and gravel it if nothing else. That could buy the area some time in the event of a 130 lava crossing.
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The papaya & flower industry are much different now than in 1960. Back then, most production was for local use. Now most of it is shipped to the mainland. The state has provided extensive funding to build these businesses to what they are today. FedEx flies in a 747 full of cargo, they return to LA with a plane that is 90% flowers. I think it is the same with Matson, but with papayas. There are a lot of ancillary contracts that tie into these businesses today that would be affected if there was no product to ship.
Also, if they didn't ship these products, Thai flowers would replace Hawaiian, Mexican papaya would replace Hawaiian, and it would be very difficult to get that market share back.
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