Maui GMO protest

[Delta9r]

I doubt that the protest linked to above was sponsored by any mainland "big money backers."


Exhibit A.)

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The march started an hour late...

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Sounds like a local grassroots protest, right down to Hawaiian Time!

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[Wao nahele kane]

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Originally posted by pahoated

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Originally posted by Obie

So what do you think about people flying to Hawaii to protest about local county issues ?

Who is paying them ??

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For anti-GMO "activists" (remember when activists used to be unpaid protestors?), the money pipeline has been pretty well mapped. Large organic farming organizations, as well as some seed companies, that funnel money to "non-profit" groups that go out and drum up the local hysteria. The money has been tracked from the mainland to at least two large local supposedly non-profit groups.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/20...-campaign/
Hawai'i Anti-GMO Activists Rely On Mainland Millionaires For 'Grassroots' Campaign

"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"

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... and pro gmo has no backing propaganda funding from big corps, right? LOL

Obie... you found a link that was critical of the study on a pro gmo site... is that to be considered of any scientific interest? Not impressed. Skepticforum? Lol. Reviews are peer reviews, they're not rants from the likes of the skeptic forum.

[peteadams]

"Obie... you found a link that was critical of the study on a pro gmo site... is that to be considered of any scientific interest? Not impressed. Skepticforum? Lol. Reviews are peer reviews, they're not rants from the likes of the skeptic forum."

Very shallow and dismissive comment, but Wao nahele kane's reaction points to a larger problem in educating most of us about complex scientific studies regarding GMO's or really any issues of fact. I read much of the original study and then the rebuttal by the "Skepti-Forum." The original study looked substantial, but upon reading the rebuttal it became clear that the original was substantially lacking in basic components of a good experiment. While not many of us can follow the rebuttal's mathematical critique of the original, the rebuttal's highlighting, for instance, of the expansive and unsupported language (lack of references to substantial studies to support assertions) of the original was clear once it was pointed out.

That why most of us, even those with a fair amount of education in the sciences need to look for the best sources of information and what is most broadly supported by reputable scientists and educators. Perhaps it's sort of like scoring in many sports where the high and low scores are thrown out and the middle scores are averaged. But just as several sports judges may consensually come up with a relatively high or low score, because science may seem to take one side or another of an issue does not reflect bias, but rather well established and well verified observation and analysis. That's certainly the case in areas such as anthropogenic climate change, vaccinations and, guess what, GMO's.

[Opihikaobob]

Bending Science:
How Special Interests Corrupt Public Health Research
Although Essentialy, this report which is about "Health Research", it applies across the board to all sciences as regards the possibility of bending& hiding science to suit the needs economic or ideological at stake
in the ongoing legal, regulatory and policy debates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bending_Science

[Obie]

"SHAKA Movement: More Mainland Money to Maui

Let’s face it that the mainland activism groups have decided to take root here in our islands. We already know from an investigative report late last year that the majority of the funding is indeed from mainland sources.

Many mainland donors are getting tax deductions giving monies to fund supposedly non-profit groups like Hawaii SEED in doing lobbying efforts under the guise of being an “educational” entity. It’s no wonder why other groups, like the Center for Food Safety and Earthjustice, have latched on also.

When you look further into the this supposed grassroots movement, it is clearly not based here in Hawaii. It looks like Southern California has come to turn Hawaii into their tropical paradise. It also includes followers that believe in UFOs, ascension, conspiracy, and spirituality. That sounds like a lot of Southern Cali woo indeed.

These people not only believe in woo but have decided to bring it to Maui under the guise of a Hawaiian sounding name, SHAKA. When you look up the website (www.shakamovement.org) on WHOIS, you’ll find that it was started on 10/29/2013. Pretty recently formed just a few months ago.

This movement was first announced on the Galactic Connection website right about that time in October 2013. Galactic Connection is associated with a Steven Meadors as the registrant and administrator for the website.

Registrant Name: Steven Meadors
Registrant Organization: Royal Alliance LLC.
Registrant Street: 970 W Valley Parkway # 270
Registrant City: Escondido
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Postal Code: 92025
Royal Alliance LLC appears to be an investment company that purchased land for a “natural healing center.”

As much as this SHAKA movement sounds local, it is far from it and being funded from California."

[Delta9r]

Some leaps of logic there regarding shakamovement.org.

What verifiable proof connects "Galactic Connection" with shakamovement.org? I first found Puna Web through Google Search, does that mean Google is funding Puna Web? No!

Anyone with $10 can register a domain name and put up a web site, and since shakamovement.org is using GoDaddy's privacy features, we have no way of knowing who funded the pocket change it took to put that website online.

Since we're now venturing into the realm of conjecture...
You like to talk about local? All the "local" people I know don't want our home island to be used as an experimental site for Big Agri Business.

So who is funding YOU?


Is this your site? ----->>> http://nogmomeansnoaloha.com/2014/03/10/...y-to-maui/

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[Delta9r]

Rainbow Family?
Did you check the ID of those you claim were from elsewhere?

Careful, as many would categorize you as being "not from here." Kama'aina? What schools did you attend?

I saw a lot of the testimony of which you speak, on the cable public access channel, and they looked like typical Pahoa hippies. (AKA malihini)

As for content appearing on some website, neither of the sites referenced have much credibility. Galactic Connections is an obvious crackpot site, and nogmonoaloha has even less credibility.
At least the Galactic Connections site lists a couple of names of the site authors with pictures, something that the No GMO no aloha site lacks. What I did notice on No GMO no aloha was an image of a papaya tree - an introduced species cultivated primarily by immigrants and their progeny - posted by an obvious supporter of GMO practices.

Who's to say that the "board member" you refer to doesn't have any connections to the state of Hawai'i?

"Life is labor, and all that is good in life comes from that labor..."

[Guest]

As I have said before, I am neither Pro GMO nor am I Pro Non GMO.

But with 9 plus pages now of "here - see its bad - no here - see its good" - I am surprised no one has yet commented on any of the news items with respect to China's recent rejections of a specific GMO corn.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/1...DF20140416

And then now - we have Archer Daniels Midland (ADM) issuing this news that it will reject the same GMO type corn from the American Farmer.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-21...-corn.html

So how does any of this make sense?

[Obie]

Syngenta says prices influenced China rejection of GMO U.S. corn

(Reuters) - Syngenta AG said on Tuesday that grain prices have played a role in China's rejection of U.S. corn shipments containing an unauthorized, genetically modified trait developed by the company.

China, the world's third-biggest corn buyer, has turned away since November more than 900,000 tonnes of U.S. corn containing Syngenta's Agrisure Viptera trait.

"There's unquestionably a global trade issue at play here relating to contracts and prices," said David Morgan, Syngenta's regional director of North America.

Syngenta, the world's largest crop chemicals company, has been waiting for China to approve Viptera, known as MIR 162, for import for more than four years.

Beijing started cracking down on shipments containing the trait late last year, even though Viptera corn had been mixed in with other varieties since China increased imports of U.S. corn in 2011.

The rejections have fueled speculation among grain traders that China was strictly enforcing its ban as a way to exit contracts for pricey corn and to prevent imports into a well-supplied market.

[Guest]

OK - I'm cool to play this game of "back and forth!"

http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intellige...time-soon/

This is a big issue. And regardless of GMO or Non GMO - or China's reasoning for rejecting - its financially affecting a whole lot of people here in America.

Again, how does any of this make sense?