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Typical pog reaction.
You weren't there either (based on your previous comment that unknownjulie was purposely being vague and with holding details. I've seen the way you treat some of the posters in here and I don't blame her for not proving personal info just so you can eviscerate her for sport.)
I HAVE seen more than a few people n this island violate the ADA in front of me. Sometimes they are unknowing, sometimes they do it on purpose.
I guess by your way of reasoning pog, people should never complain when they are discriminated against or face inequality.
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Yes, seek legal recourse of you feel it's necessary. If discrimination like this is a problem in this area, you'd be doing everyone a big favor. Maybe a settlement that hurts is what it will take to send the right message.
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I hope you do say something ... If you don't, it could be another mother and son in tears.
Were you there ?? Then maybe you can tell me what I am missing.
Yeah, you right .. The hell with the details, facts or background.
"Sometimes they are unknowing"
Lets just sue or get out the rope
Is any of that helping the child ? A: NO !
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I don't know pog, the story sounds pretty cut and dried to me. Yes, there are some things that are actually worth fighting for. The law is a pretty blunt instrument, but often it's the only thing that actually gets people's attention. Will it do "the child" any good. Yes! Someone is actually willing to stand up for him. Beyond that it might do untold good for others. Go peddle doubt and inaction elsewhere.
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A club is voluntary. Just because some state people are there doesn't indicate it is a state run club.
There are some seriously developmentally disabled children here and the parent should realize they may have the right to take them where ever they like. But the parent knows the child can be disruptive, with uncontrolled outbursts or behaviors and takes them, for example, to a movie theater. While the parent might have the right, it also means they don't have consideration for others.
Really interesting how many people here are so self righteous and judgmental that they jump to lawsuits and hanging government employees, based on an anecdote. Then they have the nerve to ask where is the aloha.
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This now a public topic with lots of replies opinions
Yet still begs the question - what was the behavior that prompted the action by the state employee?
There are limits - like violence towards an employee or other children - stealing would also have my vote for expulsion - but may not fly in the new normal.
happy my children are now parents - justice at last - grin
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Hi Julie, I was saddened to read about the incident and hope you can keep your chin up and not let those lacking in aloha spirit get you down.
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After spending a couple of months in a wheelchair I can attest to the fact that compliance with ADA is inconsistent at best in Hawaii, and in my case we are talking about an obvious physical disability, but access to public facilities and services is frequently difficult and not in compliance with ADA.
It is my perception that some people are even more uncomfortable with developmental disabilities, particularly the generation who was raised and educated before developmentally disabled children were mainstreamed into public school classrooms instead of being sent off to "special" classrooms away from everyone else. My brother in law takes his father who has dementia out with him a lot to give his mom a little respite, and runs into similar issues. A little tolerance goes a long way when we encounter people with developmental or cognitive disabilities, it really isn't that hard to overlook behaviors that are a little bit out of the norm, and understand that caregivers are usually doing the best they can in a difficult situation. Any of us could end up needing that kind of patience when we get old, we should extend it to young and old alike so they can participate in society to the greatest degree possible.
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I think pog was only trying to point out was that we already have several guilty verdicts as well as one judgement for monetary damages with very little information available. We only know:
1) a child with a disability may have done or said something
2) persons of some age group were offended in some way and spoke with a state worker
3) the state worker asked the child and mother to leave the facility
We don't know a lot, including:
1) did the child break any of the rules at the facility? even people with disabilities are expected to follow any posted rules for their own safety as well as the safety of others (just an example of one possible reason)
2) was the state worker enforcing any posted rules? or was it a personal decision
3) do we have any information from the people lodging a complaint or the person managing the facility?
Clearly the jurors serving the District Court of Punaweb are not expected to follow the same procedures as a county or state court, for instance allowing both sides to speak before a decision is rendered, but to declare a guilty verdict without even asking a single question makes it seem like some kind of psychic inquiry and examination is possible.
No one wants to see a disabled person mistreated, or denied access to public facilities. If that turns out to be the case here, I'll be in total agreement with those who have already reached a conclusion in the matter.
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