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Great Idea! Let the African americans have their own enclave, Let the native americans have their own enclave, let the Mexicans have their own enclave, for that matter, the Chinese, Portuguese, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Japanese, Samoans, Filipinos, Spaniards, Hawaiians, Paniolos, all have their own spot. So we as tourists can go visit how each of them live their culture?
What does that has to do with the roads in Hawaii?
It is not a matter of desegregation, but integration.
I think your comment is about that. Your rants, as I have said before, should be precise and to the point, before you loose your audience.
And a bit racist.. Too much!! [:0]
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James, i like your streaming thoughts there.
makes much sense to me. culture is alive, constantly changing and, yes,intermingling. it does not live stuck in time. i have noticed much the same for other specific humanities. language and literature, yes. visual arts, yep. performing arts and music, most definitely. these things stagnate and die if one attempts to freeze them in place.
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Last I checked each of the aforementioned cultures not Hawaiian already have their own "enclaves" within their respective geographical places of origin. I'm not sure what that has to do with here in Hawaii and the Hawaiian people. Certainly those other cultures weren't being proposed for being given an "enclave" here in Hawaii or any other place outside their already existing geographical origins was it? If so, that is crazy talk and beyond the scope of this topic.
Yes, names of roads is another aspect of of incorporating culture and roadways can also adopt some cultural based art accents where applicable such as retaining wall impressions, tunnel wall impressions lighting fixture design and so on.
Most cultures adopt modern development within their culture on their own. Others have had it implemented without their input. So when we look at the few that were indoctrinated without self applied adaptation (in particular here in Hawaii), it's important to make available such opportunities where ever reasonably possible.
An example of the freedom to advance as one culture desires can be seen in the mainland U.S.A. as in the Quakers etc.
Yes all cultures evolve but most have evolved without being forced to do so. Most cultures have already preserved a great deal of themselves within most aspects of their development. When we look at Hawaii, it was over run by western development without it's own guidance. In some cases the people were forbidden to even speak their own language. That's not self adaptation.
Re- establishing a 300-400 year old Hawaiian community could be extremely beneficial in replacing and rediscovering what was usurped from the people.
This subject is really tricky to wrap ones head around at first glance as is outlined by a couple wayward comments on here.
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If we look around at other countries such as Australia with its indigenous population that is left to its own devices and other countries who have left some of their indigenous people to their own devices. We see from the outside peering through the bush yesterday alive today and with time such people will eventually advance when they are ready to do so. So here in Hawaii we as the invading peoples need to be more sensitive to the remaining indigenous population and help support their rediscovery and adaptation. I don't believe that it isn't possible to reverse the hands of time to some degree within given area of the islands.
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"Yes all cultures evolve but most have evolved without being forced to do so."
I disagree. Most of the world's cultures have evolved over time by wave after wave of aggression by others. Every conquering army has brought its own culture with it and demanded its adoption. Look at Isis.
Not that I agree, but just sayin...
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quote:
Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
Last I checked each of the aforementioned cultures not Hawaiian already have their own "enclaves" within their respective geographical places of origin.
Someone will correct me if I am wrong but it's my understanding that is exactly what Ni'ihau is for. So the Hawaiian's do have their own "enclave" as well.
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quote:
Originally posted by JG-HPP
Most of the world's cultures have evolved over time by wave after wave of aggression by others. Every conquering army has brought its own culture with it and demanded its adoption. Look at Isis.
This is, for better or worse, the truth of human history.
A small sampling of examples:
The Huns.
The Tartars.
The Saxons.
The Vikings.
The succeeding waves of Polynesians who came to these islands.
None of it, IMO, good, to extent there was violence, oppression, destruction as part of forcing their own culture on the conquered...
A basic reality is that time travel is a fantasy -- no mortal can go back in time, nor forward ahead of any other mortal. We only have the present and what we can make of the future as it greets us all together.
A human culture of love and respect is what I believe would be true cultural progress. Maybe another fantasy, but one more achievable than time travel.
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Would it be possible to establish an area on the Big Island where some Hawaiian people who elect to live a traditional Hawaiian lifestyle can go and establish such, with a chief that presides over that community etc?
For some reason this sounds like a "sustainability project" as envisioned by SB2274 -- and without some overriding legislation, such a project is impossible simply because it can never comply with the existing rules and regulations.
(Note that Appendix X of the building code only allows "native" construction as an "accessory use" to a permitted building -- which prices it out of reach for many.)
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quote:
Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
If we look around at other countries such as Australia with its indigenous population that is left to its own devices and other countries who have left some of their indigenous people to their own devices. We see from the outside peering through the bush yesterday alive today and with time such people will eventually advance when they are ready to do so. So here in Hawaii we as the invading peoples need to be more sensitive to the remaining indigenous population and help support their rediscovery and adaptation. I don't believe that it isn't possible to reverse the hands of time to some degree within given area of the islands.
"We as the invading people"? you do realize that these islands have been colonized since time in memoriam, don't you? and I mean those "Polynesian" travelers of yonder as well; therefore everyone here is an invader. How do you call all the Okinawan Japanese that control our local government? aren't they haoles as well?
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Well I see as is usual, folks are more apt to argue points not congruent with the topic and therefore an exemplary form as to why there's so much break down in the topics of this forum.
Let's see, now it's gone to time travel as if that where the strict point within the usage of the word time, when citing a living permanent exhibit. What else here, oh yes, wars and cultural progression, blah, blah, blah.
Love and respect, when its not possible here in a forum? Ha ha ha. Yeah, there's another fantasy.
It's fairly clear that only one person had any constructive input beyond the names of roads. Thanks for your input Carey.
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