Sen. Hirono UNdecided on Keystone XL Pipeline

[Wao nahele kane]

All that matters is that the indentured middle class continue to serve both the upper class and poverty class through taxation. Remember to smile while bending over and giving your fare share.

[PaulW]

"Did anyone else realize that extracting oil from tar sands uses more energy than the oil releases when burned?"

I didn't realize that. How does that make economic sense? Why don't they just sell that original energy instead
of using it to extract something that contains less energy?

[Wao nahele kane]

This is known as energy conversion and is typically used to store potential energy in a form more suitable for other uses.

Conversion efficiency quotients vary but are typically under 100%. For those over 100%, some would mistakenly consider it over unity. It's a complex topic.

The disassociation of water to Hydrogen gas has an excellent conversion efficiency quotient, depending on the method of energy conversion employed. It's far superior to that of crude oil derivatives.

The story of how we became dependent on gasoline is a long story and one that's now filled with a great deal of underhanded activity.

[mearth11]

Senator Hirono just voted against the Keystone XL Pipeline. I want to thank everyone who registered their position with the Senator. The bill has failed -- for now. The Republicans vow to eventually pass the necessary legislation for continued pumping of as much oil as there is to pump, spelling the end of the planet's habitability. So everyone will have another chance next year. But for now, the the dirtiest oil on the planet cannot count on a pipeline to its markets.
Thank you, Senators Hirono and Schatz!

[pahoated]

It was by only 1 vote, so her vote really counted. There are always a few Democrats that vote with the Republicans, and the Republicans always vote 100% Republican. The right wing was really smelling blood after the midterms, thought this was the right time to shove the Keystone through. The biggest problem with this bill is how few people it benefited financially while taking a toll on multiple states and their people. It is a pipe straight from the tar sands oil in Canada down to the refineries in Texas. Always notice how these things send not just billions but now edging into trillions to Texas. Many Texans are not shy to say Texas should be the new Capitol of the United States. The alternative has been filling rail cars with tar sands oil and trucking it down to Texas, with more than a few that have spilled now due to America's antiquated rail system.

"Mahalo nui Pele, 'ae noho ia moku 'aina" - kakahiaka oli

[Wao nahele kane]

Does anyone bother reading anything beyond what some propaganda reporter proclaims on the news?
The pipeline was not headed for Texas. First to Steel City Nebraska, then to Wood River and Patoka Illinois. There are additional extensions planned to pipe oil from Texas, Oklahoma, Montana and North Dakota back to Canada. Read the plan map link below. Also it was a Democrat who pushed for the vote and not all Republicans voted for it, had they, it would have passed.

http://keystone-xl.com/keystone-xl-pipel...route-map/

[leilanidude]

But for now, the the dirtiest oil on the planet cannot count on a pipeline to its markets.
Thank you, Senators Hirono and Schatz!
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Thanks, indeed, for continuing to instead have that oil loaded onto rail cars. Remember that incident of the train wreck and the resulting town that caught on fire? Do you really want to see more accidents like that?

[Rob Tucker]

Let us please keep this conversation Hawaii related.

[Wao nahele kane]

Keeping it Hawaii related? Schatz and Hirono helped pull the carpet from out under fellow Democrat Senator Mary Landrieu trying to pull herself out of tight race for her Senate seat from Louisiana.
That may give the Republicans one more seat in the Senate. The pipeline vote will come back up in January with a Republican majority Senate so it's only delayed the unavoidable.

One way or another, we'll continue to ship oil here to Hawaii regardless of the Keystone projects minor delay.

As per being Hawaii related, it has no impact on Hawaii except to further assist in excusing higher oil prices for everyone.

What we here in Puna should do if we want to make changes regarding oil is to focus on promoting our Geothermal potentials.

Let's discus how we here in Puna can make that happen. Our district is the hot spot for the energy resource. Aside from electricity we can also produce hydrogen gas which we can use in place of gasoline.
How do we get Hawaii near 100% reliant upon our own energy sources? If you want to change how the U.S. does things then we need to set an example here. To hell with wasting time fussing with D.C. nonsense.

I see no promotion being pushed for Hydrogen production from geothermal energy or promotion of ICE conversions to hydrogen. Bio-diesel is fine for diesel engines but serves no purpose in reducing pollution especially when used in regular gasoline engines that be run 100% clean and more efficiently on hydrogen.

How do we promote this sort of energy independence here on this island?

[mearth11]

Thank you, Rob, so much.