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Using bankruptcy court against a lava flow
#21
I believe onoono lives on the mainland, please correct me if I'm wrong.

If it is correct, onoono has no skin I the game, so has nothing to lose in this situation.

I know people with both a home & business in the path of the flow, and they don't share his easy going attitude.

Remember when you had your first child, and all of your friends without children started to offer advice on how to get your kid to go to sleep, eat his peas, or quiet down? Off island advice is like that.
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#22
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Originally posted by kalakoa

Business is business. Some are good at it, others, not so much.

Local conditions require additional skills.


Everywhere is local

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#23
Comparisons of Puna to South Kohala are not that far off base. That's all Mauna Loa, and most of those resorts are built on relatively young lava flows. I bet their insurance premiums are built into their room rates.
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#24
About 125,000 years if you are counting eruptions.

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#25


More like 175 years for South Kohala. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/hazards/fig21.gif
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#26
In my post, I said Kohala, NOT South Kohala. If one is "immune" to the difference in exposure to volcanic activity between Lower Puna, and other districts, well, I can't help it.

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#27
For clarity, there is no Kohala district; there is North Kohala and South Kohala. Using the term Kohala tends to refer to both as a general area akin to Kona, or Hilo (both of which are actually split into two districts as well). The Kohala area has lava zones 3,7,8, & 9 so flows range from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of years old.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/mf/1992/2193/mf2193.pdf

You still haven't answered whether you live on island or not. This is your choice of course, but why should anyone listen to your opinions on being immune to lava risks when you are not taking these risks yourself?
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#28
should of been mandatory for anyone buying into Puna to buy a state funded lava insurance program. Don't want to buy in? Then you don't get to buy a lot in Puna.

Should have been done a long time ago and the fee's should have been applied to property tax's. Oh well, But, what if Hilo or Kona side goes? should be something to start up now.

I think it shouldn't just be Puna but the entire island. I wouldn't mind paying extra for insurance to help "someone" else out... That fund if it was for the entire island, would become massive if it was only 100 - 150 per lot. Dunno how many lots this island has on it, but I would imagine a Bunch of them. Tho, there should be some sort of separate insurance for business property.

I know a lot of people are against this type of insurance. But, I think it's one way to bail out area's or HELP bail out areas that might get inundated.

And before all the people against this say I just want a handout... Hardly, yes. I do live in Hawaiian Beaches. But, my house was built by myself designed to be moved and can be moved fairly easy if need be. The lot I paid 7K cash for it, yeah I got about 20K in infrastructure, like lot clearing, fill, water meter, septic tank, but A-hmmm, I don't have NEARLY as much as others have tied up in investments. I would say most people Average around 150K-200K down here if they had to take a loss it would be massive.

Personally I could care less when the lava wipes out half of Puna, Tho, I do worry about my neighbors that have been here forever (second generation). I just think the state needs to get it's act together and figure out a way to blanket cover these types disasters.

Then there are the people ... Well, go buy insurance. Fine... Fair enough. I'm all down for that... But what about the person today that just got fired or fell on hard times (whatever the case may be). He can't make the premium insurance payment for a few months.Then he get's hired with a new company ... Well,guess what, now he CAN'T even GET insurance. So, What about those people? That's why the state needs to step in and find a solution.

Look we all know the Lava is gonna continue for a good long time and it's gotta go someplace. What's an extra 100 bucks a year on the taxes? Sounds like a pretty good solution and instead of complaining and bitching about "HOW YOU DON'T LIKE IT" come up with some better alternatives and No, I don't like the idea of you knew the risks, deal with it, attitude isn't helping people much. Just remember it may one day by your home and property getting covered then you'll wish you would have said, wow, that guy was right!


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#29
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Originally posted by ironyak

For clarity, there is no Kohala district; there is North Kohala and South Kohala. Using the term Kohala tends to refer to both as a general area akin to Kona, or Hilo (both of which are actually split into two districts as well). The Kohala area has lava zones 3,7,8, & 9 so flows range from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of years old.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/mf/1992/2193/mf2193.pdf

You still haven't answered whether you live on island or not. This is your choice of course, but why should anyone listen to your opinions on being immune to lava risks when you are not taking these risks yourself?

Asking questions about where I reside, like the lady with the Monkey and the Circus did, is done, when all valid arguments have evaporated or eluded you. It will go unanswered, for it is irrelevant.

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#30
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Originally posted by ironyak

For clarity, there is no Kohala district; there is North Kohala and South Kohala. Using the term Kohala tends to refer to both as a general area akin to Kona, or Hilo (both of which are actually split into two districts as well). The Kohala area has lava zones 3,7,8, & 9 so flows range from hundreds to hundreds of thousands of years old.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/mf/1992/2193/mf2193.pdf

You still haven't answered whether you live on island or not. This is your choice of course, but why should anyone listen to your opinions on being immune to lava risks when you are not taking these risks yourself?

There is a Universe of difference between Lower Puna and the other districts. My point was to counter the claim that basically inferred they were all pretty much the same.

Whether or not I or your, or anyone else is taking the risk, is irrelevant. Facts and logic overcome such triffles

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