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I don't think the "discussion" is "helping".
It will be "interesting" when the "problem" escalates.
I am "impatient" and would rather see it settled sooner than later. Even if that means a net tax increase. We really need to get on with the real problems, but everyone's too busy cooking up a pot of popcorn to watch the "ain't got no road" show.
We now return you to the wide open discussion already in progress.
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Originally posted by kalakoa
I don't think the "discussion" is "helping".
It will be "interesting" when the "problem" escalates.
I am "impatient" and would rather see it settled sooner than later. Even if that means a net tax increase. We really need to get on with the real problems, but everyone's too busy cooking up a pot of popcorn to watch the "ain't got no road" show.
We now return you to the wide open discussion already in progress.
I'm with Rob on this one, all the main Puna subdivisions do need to band together and try to push for some solutions. But as long as leadership in individual subdivisions is so dysfunctional, it will be hard to find the will to make that happen. The individual residents don't have deep pockets, and the organizations are legally limited in what they can do, a perfect storm of inability to resolve the situation.
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The dysfunctional leadership (or lack thereof) in the subdivisions is only relevant because County screwed them over in the first place.
Nor am I necessarily suggesting that County would do a better job, especially given that County has demonstrated very similar mismanagement techniques.
Can't really point to State as an example, either, because State LUC also participated in the subdivision scam.
Apparently we're just not going to sue County or State. They obviously have deeper pockets than an HOA, but more lawyers, and the ability to interpret the rules as they see fit.
Two ideas:
1. Rescind mandatory dues where the HOA cannot demonstrate that they are being used effectively in a beneficial manner;
2. Break the subdivision HOAs into districts of a manageable size at which agreement is actually possible, say, one per block.
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Originally posted by mermaid53
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Originally posted by shockwave rider
When I started this thread it was to create a place for what I called "wide open" discussion of HPP issues and I specifically asked that people not try to "out" other people's off line identities. Mermaid refused to respect that and posted yet another accusation that HPPwatchdog is kahunascott is the the former general manager of HPP. Personally I highly doubt that, from all of his post here over many years I just don't see him pretending to be someone he isn't. I never met the man myself, but that is my impression.
"I just don't see him pretending to be someone he isn't." Now that is an interesting comment.
You may doubt it shockwaverider but as you said, you don't know him. I have known the former GM and worked with him for over 4 yrs so I speak from experience.
Orchidlandguy started 2 threads, one of them for TE's and those that wished to only speak about the lawsuit. Did the TE's and their supporters respect that? No, they came to the other thread ranting about the lawsuit. Then you started this thread after orchidlandguy shut down the 2 threads he started.
Yes, I think Rob was very patient while hppwatchdog intimidated and threatened to pull posters into his lawsuit for defamation. The TE's have NO IDEA how this lawsuit will turn out so please stop listening to their "slam dunk" propaganda. Where do they get this idea that it's a slam dunk when the trial hasn't even begun?
Some of the TE info and style of posting in my opinion has been and is to instill fear. What better way to get people fired up and to assist in their agenda? What better way to do it than to pose as a member and do it from within? It's covert and ethically wrong.
Yes, we have big problems with what's been going on with certain members managing HPP and the delay of hiring employees to do the work. Members should be asking important questions about these topics. No one's stealing our money. Yes, there is a lot of dysfunction going on. But it's absurd to listen to TE's criticizing them when we had serious problems with our last mgmt and board. Who's calling the kettle black?
Aloha~
Well, some directors at an illegal meeting (no quorum, only 4 directors) in October 2014 discussed purchasing new mowers.
These directors actually thought that 3 of 5 directors is a majority!
Read the bylaws!
The request for this equipment was never brought in front of the Finance Committee for them to review and either make a recommendation to the board or not.
Was there more then one quote?
Was the equipment apples to apples? The are no board members that have the experience to review the equipment styles.
So, a few directors agree in public to spend $85,000 of the Associations money without the proper safeguards (and a majority vote) that are necessary for good accounting. Just check the balance sheet, it shows an $85,000 deduction in Capital Expenses.
The treasurer should have been up in arms and never let the purchase happen, but she doesn't have a clue. After all she had to approve the purchases and then sign the check.
(oh, that check and balance thing again)
All she has to do is read the bylaws!
You might not call it stealing money but it sure is misappropriated.
They have no authority to spend money without the process.
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FYI, I heard via the grapevine that the the treasurer cancelled the Finance Committee meeting. No new date set. So, we will have to wait even longer to find out about where over $85,000.00 went. It is unbelievable to me that we are clueless to what they are doing with OUR money. 1 person dong the books and doing her own oversight. And 1 poster defends her to this day. If this had happened last year I am sure we would all hear screaming about this. It is also pretty darn sad that some one feels entitled to tell us what we can post and where. It is still (just barely) a free country. And again the person(s) say move on, call other com-mentors out (or think they know who is who), call names, still blame the old board, yet they are the very ones doing all these things... no one else. Calling the kettle black is the very one who does. This incorrectly asserted superior attitude is what ruins an informative thread. This thread and Punaweb is important and a valuable tool to keep us informed. Sure wish that is how it would be used.
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It is unbelievable to me that we are clueless to what they are doing with OUR money.
Try asking County about where they spent "our" FTR revenue.
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Originally posted by kalakoa
It is unbelievable to me that we are clueless to what they are doing with OUR money.
Try asking County about where they spent "our" FTR revenue.
It's not "ours" until a bill is passed like 126 2 years ago and never made it to the voting stage.
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It's not "ours" until a bill is passed like 126
A distinction without a difference, unless you never leave your subdivision to suffer the "public" roads.
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Originally posted by Katarina
FYI, I heard via the grapevine (Steve C) that the the treasurer cancelled the Finance Committee meeting. No new date set. So, we will have to wait even longer to find out about where over $85,000.00 went.........This thread and Punaweb is important and a valuable tool to keep us informed. Sure wish that is how it would be used.
How would the finance committee not meeting translate into "we will have to wait even longer to find out about where over $85,000 went"?
The finance committee meetings do not effect you finding this out. Do they?
Your spewing misinformation and rumors is not valuable information.
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Originally posted by Karma96749
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Originally posted by hppwatchdog
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Originally posted by mermaid53
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Originally posted by shockwave rider
When I started this thread it was to create a place for what I called "wide open" discussion of HPP issues and I specifically asked that people not try to "out" other people's off line identities. Mermaid refused to respect that and posted yet another accusation that HPPwatchdog is kahunascott is the the former general manager of HPP. Personally I highly doubt that, from all of his post here over many years I just don't see him pretending to be someone he isn't. I never met the man myself, but that is my impression.
"I just don't see him pretending to be someone he isn't." Now that is an interesting comment.
You may doubt it shockwaverider but as you said, you don't know him. I have known the former GM and worked with him for over 4 yrs so I speak from experience.
Orchidlandguy started 2 threads, one of them for TE's and those that wished to only speak about the lawsuit. Did the TE's and their supporters respect that? No, they came to the other thread ranting about the lawsuit. Then you started this thread after orchidlandguy shut down the 2 threads he started.
Yes, I think Rob was very patient while hppwatchdog intimidated and threatened to pull posters into his lawsuit for defamation. The TE's have NO IDEA how this lawsuit will turn out so please stop listening to their "slam dunk" propaganda. Where do they get this idea that it's a slam dunk when the trial hasn't even begun?
Some of the TE info and style of posting in my opinion has been and is to instill fear. What better way to get people fired up and to assist in their agenda? What better way to do it than to pose as a member and do it from within? It's covert and ethically wrong.
Yes, we have big problems with what's been going on with certain members managing HPP and the delay of hiring employees to do the work. Members should be asking important questions about these topics. No one's stealing our money. Yes, there is a lot of dysfunction going on. But it's absurd to listen to TE's criticizing them when we had serious problems with our last mgmt and board. Who's calling the kettle black?
Aloha~
Well, some directors at an illegal meeting (no quorum, only 4 directors) in October 2014 discussed purchasing new mowers.
These directors actually thought that 3 of 5 directors is a majority!
Read the bylaws!
The request for this equipment was never brought in front of the Finance Committee for them to review and either make a recommendation to the board or not.
Was there more then one quote?
Was the equipment apples to apples? The are no board members that have the experience to review the equipment styles.
So, a few directors agree in public to spend $85,000 of the Associations money without the proper safeguards (and a majority vote) that are necessary for good accounting. Just check the balance sheet, it shows an $85,000 deduction in Capital Expenses.
The treasurer should have been up in arms and never let the purchase happen, but she doesn't have a clue. After all she had to approve the purchases and then sign the check.
(oh, that check and balance thing again)
All she has to do is read the bylaws!
You might not call it stealing money but it sure is misappropriated.
They have no authority to spend money without the process.
Misinformation and rumors yet again. This piece of equipment was never purchased.
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As hard as the minutes are to follow since they are so poorly written, and as rarely as they are posted, I do remember seeing a vote for the purchase of a very expensive piece of equipment in the $75-90,000 range. It really struck me because the board has wrangled longer over the issue of not buying cookies for the general membership meeting than they did discussing spending this much money. If they did vote for the purchase, but didn't actually spend the money I would wonder why, although I am concerned the purchase approval was rushed through at a meeting which may or may not have had a legal quorum.
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