Seat belt ticket in Pahoa

[birdmove]

When it comes to helmets while riding motorcycles and scooters, my policy is always wera one. Whether it's the law or not, you'll never see me ride without my helmet.

Jon in Keaau/HPP

[Guest]

While they are at it, Hawaii needs to re-institute a mandatory motorcycle helmet law. I personally know of a person who had a serious brain injury from a motorcycle crash with no helmet. He has cost the state close to a million dollars in medical expenses alone, and counting. By the time he dies of old age, it will be in the multi-millions. Myself, I had a similar crash in the 1980s. Messed up my knee but I was wearing a helmet. I work and pay taxes to take care of the one that didn't because it 'wasn't cool' and it sucks. No helmet should mean DNR in event of a bad crash. Sorry, but at some point reality has to become a factor. Show me some badass dude barrelling down the highway with no helmet and I show you a multi-million dollar liability for the state if his luck runs out.

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You can't fix Samsara.

[Tink]

I, as well as my wife, like my ugly mug, and a road rash like skinning your knee but on your face from a roadway at any speed is enough for me to wear a full face helmet any time I get on a motorcycle. A friend painted his to look like a laughing skull to be cool, you could be as creative with yours, perhaps make it look like a Honu shell....

Edit to add-- if you are traveling 10 mph, and the car that hits you is going 25 mph, impact speed is 35 mph!!
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[TomK]

PauHana wrote:

"I was told tickets are being issued for using the commuter lane on 130 if it is not between the posted 3:00 and 6:00 PM. The volume of traffic is not a consideration."

Good, glad to hear it. Having drivers on the shoulder when most don't expect them to be there is dangerous. If I need to turn right into a side street I don't need some moron speeding on the shoulder that I may not be able to see and certainly don't expect to be there.

I'm all for extending the hours the shoulder lane is used, but too many stupid drivers use it outside those hours and risk killing people.

[Thunderfoot]

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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

Whether the seat belt law is U.S. Constitutional compliant is really the question

I believe you can still ride your horse or in a buckboard wagon without a seat belt, as the Constitution clearly provides for.

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REPLY :

I am not Amish, am Native American, but yes they can ride their buckboard wagons without a seat belt and you can ride in the back of a pick up truck with no seatbelt, but yet you need one to ride in car.

The seat belt law just seems like a dumb law to me. I believe they created it to generate revenue was the real foundation of that law under the guise of safety and saving the government money they take away our freedoms, like the patriot act.


But for the record, you will never get my horse to agree to strap on a buckboard wagon

[Clayjacks]

A law written to save people from wearing their steering wheels is being compared to the patriot act? Putting on your seatbelt is very easy (they're designed that way) and it could save your life. This argument is silly.

[leilanidude]

@thunderfoot - They didn't create the seatbelt law to create revenue, they created it to save revenue.

[kalakoa]

Putting on your seatbelt is very easy and it could save your life.

Inevitably some people can't/won't use good judgement (or even agree on what constitutes "good" and/or "judgement"), making it necessary to legislate things that should be common sense.

Of course, some people then have the time/money to nitpick ways in which the law should not apply to their unique special case.

Eventually, you need large (and very expensive) buildings to properly host these arguments, with special arrangements for the judge, jury, attorneys, accused. All necessary because we have these guaranteed rights and freedoms, which we squander on pointless stupidity.

[Clayjacks]

The question is "do we spend time and money (interchangeable) saving the lives of people who wrap utility poles around their faces in the name of Freedom, or do we just leave them by the roadside?"

[Kapohocat]

IMHO, the person cruising Pahoa with no seatbelt, yes, deserved the ticket. The person actively putting on their seatbelt but car was rolling deserved a warning and a short lecture from cop, and no ticket.

It may be picking fly $hit out of the pepper, but the difference in these two situations is, again MHO, what gives a PD a good name or a bad name.

How many people actually get off with just warnings anymore for anything? IMHO, the police do have some responsibility to inform people of how the law reads (i.e the rolling of the car) and the option of a ticket or just a warning.