Posts: 1,858
Threads: 46
Joined: Apr 2015
quote:
Originally posted by PunaMauka2
"If any unaccompanied minor is walking along or across a State Highway and is injured to any degree the only person responsible should be the parent(s)."
...and then what?
yeah, that sounds fine and dandy, within a more extreme libertarian ideal. but in the real world kids have always naturally found opportunities to goof around unsupervised, and certainly not always strictly following all instructions and rules with the best of judgement. obviously there is a balance to be found between personal responsibility and issues of safety being addressed and met on the community level. hello.
How about not putting your school right beside a highway. Hello?
Posts: 1,440
Threads: 4
Joined: Sep 2014
...and if for whatever reason it happens there is one near a highway, then what? too bad?
Posts: 11,020
Threads: 750
Joined: Sep 2012
How about not putting your school right beside a highway. Hello?
Keaau High School?
Mt View School?
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
Posts: 10,222
Threads: 344
Joined: Apr 2009
Wasn't someone suggesting just a few weeks ago that the observatories on Mauna Kea be turned into classrooms? Perfect solution. No highways or junctions, no need for traffic lights and a 25-mph speed limit for miles around and several unemployed astronomers to help with the teaching load.
There would be, of course, some minor obstacles to overcome, but am surprised such an idea hasn't yet been proposed by someone in local government.
Posts: 1,179
Threads: 7
Joined: Jul 2012
Puna 500 sq miles in size .......11 intersections w/lights
Oahu 597 sq miles in size .......Honolulu alone has 800+ intersections w/lights
******************************************************************
save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
******************************************************************
save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha
Posts: 11,020
Threads: 750
Joined: Sep 2012
Puna 500 sq miles in size .......11 intersections w/lights
Oahu 597 sq miles in size .......Honolulu alone has 800+ intersections w/lights
It would be interesting to find out how many of those 800 stop lights lights were paid for by Wiki Wiki and KTA type stores, or charter schools on Oahu. Is the requirement different on Oahu than on Hawaii Island?
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
Posts: 14,115
Threads: 424
Joined: Aug 2012
Population of Puna ... 40K? 45K? (Anyone know for sure?) ... 1 light per ~4000 people
Population of Oahu ... 1.1M (approximately) ... 1 light per ~1400 people.
Is the requirement different on Oahu than on Hawaii Island?
Oahu enjoys a rich tradition of Federal funding and includes the only incorporated City in the entire State. Requirements are the same ... just handled differently.
Posts: 14,115
Threads: 424
Joined: Aug 2012
I couldn't ask for a more timely example:
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...y-projects
$20 million would be spent on 12 Public Works improvement projects, including Mamalahoa Highway, Ane Keohokalole Highway, ...
Aren't those State highways? Funded with vehicle weight tax?
Posts: 820
Threads: 106
Joined: Mar 2006
quote:
Originally posted by kalakoa
I couldn't ask for a more timely example:
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news...y-projects
$20 million would be spent on 12 Public Works improvement projects, including Mamalahoa Highway, Ane Keohokalole Highway, ...
Aren't those State highways? Funded with vehicle weight tax?
Ane Keohokalole Highway is a county owned highway and the segment the article refers to is on the wet side of Kamuela, which is on the county owned segment of Hawaii Belt Road (Mamalahoa Highway)
Posts: 631
Threads: 53
Joined: Oct 2006
State DOT has very restrictive rules about where school x-ing signs and traffic lights & crosswalks can go on state highways that seem to have nothing to do with the most important consideration in my mind, i.e., keeping our kids safe. As an example, a group of us worked for 6 years to get DOT to put school x-ing signs on the Hwy 130 approach to the traffic light from the Kalapana direction. The resistance was based on the fact that Pahoa El-Hi is not situated exactly on Hwy 130 because it is separated by that triangular lot. The fact that kids use the crosswalk across the highway was not a consideration for DOT. We got around it by threatening to put up our own sign, and a photo op in the local media to shame them. Then we got our sign.
The kids attending HAAS cross the same highway and walk along Post Office Rd. They need the protection that only a light can give. What is the cost of a light compared with safety for our kids? Where are the priorities? The question of whether or not HAAS should have been built where it is, is moot. It was settled long ago. They attempted many other locations before ending up here. They are here now, so let's make it as safe as possible for them.
Another reason for a light on PO Rd.: The plans for the Pahoa District Park include a second entrance/exit coming off PO Rd. The Planning Dept. is working with the property owners across from the PO (the cleared lots) to get a right of way into the park and widening PO Rd is also in the plan. This is to ensure that there won't only be one way in and out of the park (through the community center)once it is fully operational. We can then expect much more traffic coming off of Hwy 130 onto PO Rd in order to access events at the park (and leaving the park. Having a traffic light there will resolve potential problems and avoid traffic hazards. It may be thinking lot term - but not that far in the future, really.
